25-03-2010, 09:00 PM
JUDYTH REPLIES TO DON JEFFRIES:
I think I talked him out of it.
I saw his firearms on the 3rd floor at Banister's building (we called it that in 1963 -- the Warren Commission and researchers call it the Newman Buiklding...By the way, Lee did not refer to the building where he worked as the "Texas School Book Depository." The building had a different name than that....The TSBD was a company that rented that building. I think the WC called the Newman Building that to draw attention away from Guy Banister. Banister moved into that building before it was purchased by Mr. Newman, who had FBI ties, by the way, which probably everybody knows...
Firearms and much more were stored on the 3rd floor, ignored by everybody (why?) ...This is where Banister kept plenty of anti-Casro munitions, tents, rifles, you name it...Interestingly, after the raid at Lake Pontchartrain, a lot more stuff ended up there on the third floor....
Here I saw a .38 long-nose S &W that belonged to Lee and a souvenir -- he called it, a silver Derringer....He said he owned no other weapons...No rifle...Soon Marina Oswald would arrive from Irving, TX......Again, I hope I talked him out of 'warning shot' scenario.....
What irritates me is their finding a holster in his boarding house room, but then they have him supposedly just sticking a SHORT NOSE S &W in his pants and carrying it like that, supposedly at the Texas Theatre -- Think about this a minute.
YOU CANNOT RUN WITH A SNUB-NOSE S & W STUCK IN YOUR PANTS. IT WILL FALL OUT.....WHICH MEANS THAT, HE CARRIED IT IN HIS POCKET? BUT WHEN HE GETS TO THE TEXAS THEATRE HE DECIDES INSTEAD TO STICK IT IN HIS PANTS AT THE WAIST? LOGIC APPLIED SAYS 'NOT LIKELY.'
NOW PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.
I HAVE READ ALL THE ARREST ACCOUNTS CAREFULLY. SOME VARY. I READ THE ARRESTING OFFICER'S COMMENTS WITH SPECIAL CARE.
IN TESTIMONY, THE ARRESTING OFFICER SAID HE APPROACHED LEE, WITH HIS REVOLVER DRAWN...WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE MOVING IN ON LEE OSWALD UNTIL THIS POLICEMAN ARRIVES...WHEN HE ARRIVES, THEN THEY MOVE IN......
NOW, THESE POLICE DO NOT TELL PEOPLE TO LEAVE, NOR DO THEY ACT AS IF LEE OSWALD IS ARMED AND DANGEROUS. YET HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUSPECT....THEY 'INSPECT' ONE AFER ANOTHER OF THE FEW IN THE THEATRE, CLOSING IN ON HIM...THEY WOULD LIKE HIM TO RUN, SO THEY CAN SHOOT HIM DEAD...
LEE UNDERSTANDS THIS.
THOUGH HE IS A 'SUSPECT' IN THE TIPPIT MURDER, THEY ACT AS IF HE IS UNARMED....
IN OHER WORDS, THEY K-N-O-W HE IS UNARMED, PEOPLE.
THEY KNOW IT. THEY KNOW HE WLL NOT DRSAW A REVOLVER AND START SHOOTING A EVERYBODY.
THEY HOPE HE'LL LOSE HIS SELF-CONTROL AND BOLT SO THEY CAN SHOOT HIM.
THEY APPROACH SLOWLY AND WITH THEIR REVOLVERS DRAWN.
NEXT -- THE ARRESTING OFFICER SAID LEE SUDDENLY PULLED HIS SNUB-NOSED REVOLVER FROM HIS PANTS WAIST AREA AND THE OFFICER STOPPED HIM FROM SHOOTING HIM AND STRUGGLED FOR POSSESSION OF THE REVOLVER....
BUT WHEN DID THE OFFICER PUT AWAY HIS REVOLVER, WITH WHICH HE APPROACHED LEE OSWALD?
HE NEVER DID.
IT WOULD DEFY LOGIC THAT THE OFFICER APPROACHING LEE WITH REVOLVER DRAWN WOULD PUT IT AWAY BEFORE HIS ENCOUNTER WITH LEE.
FAR MORE LIKELY, THE RIGGED REVOLVER, WHICH COULD NOT FIRE AND HURT ANYBODY -- WHICH MODEL WAS A FAVORITE MODEL FOR OFF-DUTY POLICE TO CARRY, BY THE WAY -- WAS THRUST AT OSWALD IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHOOT HIM AND LEE, A TRAINED MARINE, STOPPED HIM FROM DOING SO.
THE OFFICERS THEN COULD NOT SHOOT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HIT THE ARRESING OFFICER.
LEE SAW IT COMING.
HE STRUCK THE OFFICER SO HE WOULDN'T BE SHOT, NOT KNOWING THIS REVOLVER WOULD BE PLANTED ON HIS PERSON AFTER THEY SHOT HIM DEAD.
THE ARRESTING OFFICER WAS IN ABSOLUTELY NO DANGER AND MAY EVEN HAVE TRIED TO THRUST HIS REVOLVER INTO LEE'S PANTS, FROM HIS DESCRIPTION OF THE EVENT -- A DESCRIPTION, HOWEVER, THAT INCLUDED HIS SAYING THAT HE HAD HIS REVOLVER DRAWN INSIDE THE THEATER.
HENCE LEE THEN SHOUTS THAT HE IS NOT RESISTING ARREST AS THEY PULL HIM DOWN---SO THEY COULD NOT SHOOT HIM....
SEVERAL ACCOUNTS TALK ABOUT HEARING A 'CLICK' WHICH IS, IN FACT, ABSURD IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT KIND OF REVOLVER. ACCORDING TO (NOW DECEASED, BUT I HAVE HIS CORRESPONDENCE) BALLISICS EXPERT JOHN RITCHSON -- THE WAY IT WAS RIGGED NOT TO FIRE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE A SOUND AS DESCRIBED...
ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER: THE HOLSTER.
WOULD LEE OSWALD HAVE JUST PULLED THE SNIUB NOSE .38 FROM THE HOLSTER INSTEAD OF JUST GRABBING THE HOLSTER WITH REVOLVER AND HURRIEDLY BELTING IT ON? WHAT'S A HOLSTER FOR?
BUT, YOU SEE, THEY HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT A HOLSTER WAS PRESENT IN HIS BOARDING HOUSE ROOM TO HELP TIE HIM TO OWNING A REVOLVER...
WE HAVE RECENLY LEARNED THAT THE DALLAS POLICE WERE FAMOUS FOR PLANTING FALSE EVIDENCE BACK THEN, AND OVERDID SOME OF THE PLANTED EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE...
HERE'S A FACT:
LEE OSWALD DIDN'T LKE HOLSTERS AND -- VERY CAREFUL WIH HIS MONEY -- WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED ONE.
HE CARRIED THE S&W I SAW IN A SMALL GREEN BAG,
HE THOUGHT HOLSTERS WERE 'TOO OBVIOUS.'
HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE HE BROUGHT A SMALL GREEN BAG TO CARRY THE REVOLVER (WHICH WAS STORED IN ITS ORIGINAL BOX) AND MENTIONED IT.
I DO NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN DALLAS, PERSONALLY, ONLY WHAT LEE TOLD ME SOME 37 1/2 HOURS EARLIER.....
BUT I DO KNOW THAT LEE OSWALD SAID HE KEPT HIS FIREARMS AT BANISTER'S BECAUSE HIS BABY, JUNE LEE, WAS WALKING AND HE DID NOT WANT HER TO GET INTO HIS GUNS. HE SAID "GUNS."
HE ALSO SAID, AS A JOKE, THAT HE KEPT HIS FIREARMS AT BANISTER'S BUILDING SO IN CASE MARINA GOT REALLY, REALLY MAD AT HIM, SHE WOULDN'T SHOOT HIM.
HE MADE LOTS OF JOKES AND THEY WERE ALL WRY AND IRONIC ONES, LIKE THAT. SOMETIMES IT WAS A BIT HARD TO KNOW WHETHER HE WAS PULLING YOUR LEG OR BEING SEROUS!
NOTE THAT GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILDT IN "I'M A PATSY!" (WHICH THE HSCA HAS), LISTS ABOUT A DOZEN JOKES THAT LEE TOLD HIM...
THEREFORE I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE DALLAS' FINEST PLANTED THE HOLSTER.
JUST AS THEY TRIED TO SAY LEE OSWALD HAD A 'MAP' -- IN ALL THE PAPERS...SHOWING THE BULLET PATHS [THE TRAJECTORIES] HE PLANNED TO SHOOT! -- THEN QUIETLY IT GOES AWAY AS IT WAS NO SUCH THING...BUT OSWALD IS THUS A HATED MAN...
I DONT' KNOW EVERYHING ABOUT LEE, OF COURSE, BUT I KNOW ENOUGH AND REMEMBER ENOUGH TO EASILY PICK OUT WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT ABOUT A LOT OF THE "SO-CALLED EVIDENCE" (THE SAME TERM LEE USED, BY THE WAY).
I HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN THESE THINGS OUT FOR POSTERITY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. FOR AS JFK SAID, WE ARE ALL MORTAL.
I'M DOING THIS FOR JFK, TOO, [HOPEFULLY] TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO ADMIT THEY PULLED A COUP ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY I AM GRATEFUL THAT AFTER EFFORTS OF TEN YEARS, WHERE I KEPT GETTING HUMBLED AND SHOUTED DOWN, DR. FETZER IS KEEPING THIS THREAD ON TRACK, DESPITE ALL SORTS OF SIDE QUESTIONS -- WHICH HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ELSEWHERE BUT SEEMS EVERYBODY 'FORGOT' THESE QUESIONS THAT WERE ANSWERED -- SUCH AS THE OFF-THE-SUBJECT ONE ABOUT MY TRANSLATING HIEROGLYPHS, WHICH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN DO, INCLUDING ME, BUT WHICH IS COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC.
THIS IS HOW THEY EXHAUSTED ME BEFORE, FOR I HAVE STRENGTH LIMITATIONS.
IT IS LIKE HAVING TO JUMP HURDLE AFTER HURDLE JUST TO BE ABLE TO POST ANSWERS ON SERIOUS QUESTIONS, SUCH AS THE SERIOUS AND RELEVANT QUESTION YOU SO ASKED, WHICH I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
JVB
[quote name='Don Jeffries' post='187775' date='Mar 25 2010, 07:13 AM']
Jim,
I didn't mean to criticize the way this thread has been handled. I didn't realize JVB was a member, and also was unaware that it is physically that difficult for her to post. Sorry for any confusion.
Judith, I'm interested in exactly what LHO told you about the impending assassination. Of particular interest to me is the comment about him perhaps firing a warning shot. This would indicate he was going to be carrying a gun (or have access to one) that day. Did he tell you that he was bringing a rifle to the TSBD? I apologize if this has been gone over before, and you've previously addressed this subject. Thanks.[/quote]
I think I talked him out of it.
I saw his firearms on the 3rd floor at Banister's building (we called it that in 1963 -- the Warren Commission and researchers call it the Newman Buiklding...By the way, Lee did not refer to the building where he worked as the "Texas School Book Depository." The building had a different name than that....The TSBD was a company that rented that building. I think the WC called the Newman Building that to draw attention away from Guy Banister. Banister moved into that building before it was purchased by Mr. Newman, who had FBI ties, by the way, which probably everybody knows...
Firearms and much more were stored on the 3rd floor, ignored by everybody (why?) ...This is where Banister kept plenty of anti-Casro munitions, tents, rifles, you name it...Interestingly, after the raid at Lake Pontchartrain, a lot more stuff ended up there on the third floor....
Here I saw a .38 long-nose S &W that belonged to Lee and a souvenir -- he called it, a silver Derringer....He said he owned no other weapons...No rifle...Soon Marina Oswald would arrive from Irving, TX......Again, I hope I talked him out of 'warning shot' scenario.....
What irritates me is their finding a holster in his boarding house room, but then they have him supposedly just sticking a SHORT NOSE S &W in his pants and carrying it like that, supposedly at the Texas Theatre -- Think about this a minute.
YOU CANNOT RUN WITH A SNUB-NOSE S & W STUCK IN YOUR PANTS. IT WILL FALL OUT.....WHICH MEANS THAT, HE CARRIED IT IN HIS POCKET? BUT WHEN HE GETS TO THE TEXAS THEATRE HE DECIDES INSTEAD TO STICK IT IN HIS PANTS AT THE WAIST? LOGIC APPLIED SAYS 'NOT LIKELY.'
NOW PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.
I HAVE READ ALL THE ARREST ACCOUNTS CAREFULLY. SOME VARY. I READ THE ARRESTING OFFICER'S COMMENTS WITH SPECIAL CARE.
IN TESTIMONY, THE ARRESTING OFFICER SAID HE APPROACHED LEE, WITH HIS REVOLVER DRAWN...WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE MOVING IN ON LEE OSWALD UNTIL THIS POLICEMAN ARRIVES...WHEN HE ARRIVES, THEN THEY MOVE IN......
NOW, THESE POLICE DO NOT TELL PEOPLE TO LEAVE, NOR DO THEY ACT AS IF LEE OSWALD IS ARMED AND DANGEROUS. YET HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUSPECT....THEY 'INSPECT' ONE AFER ANOTHER OF THE FEW IN THE THEATRE, CLOSING IN ON HIM...THEY WOULD LIKE HIM TO RUN, SO THEY CAN SHOOT HIM DEAD...
LEE UNDERSTANDS THIS.
THOUGH HE IS A 'SUSPECT' IN THE TIPPIT MURDER, THEY ACT AS IF HE IS UNARMED....
IN OHER WORDS, THEY K-N-O-W HE IS UNARMED, PEOPLE.
THEY KNOW IT. THEY KNOW HE WLL NOT DRSAW A REVOLVER AND START SHOOTING A EVERYBODY.
THEY HOPE HE'LL LOSE HIS SELF-CONTROL AND BOLT SO THEY CAN SHOOT HIM.
THEY APPROACH SLOWLY AND WITH THEIR REVOLVERS DRAWN.
NEXT -- THE ARRESTING OFFICER SAID LEE SUDDENLY PULLED HIS SNUB-NOSED REVOLVER FROM HIS PANTS WAIST AREA AND THE OFFICER STOPPED HIM FROM SHOOTING HIM AND STRUGGLED FOR POSSESSION OF THE REVOLVER....
BUT WHEN DID THE OFFICER PUT AWAY HIS REVOLVER, WITH WHICH HE APPROACHED LEE OSWALD?
HE NEVER DID.
IT WOULD DEFY LOGIC THAT THE OFFICER APPROACHING LEE WITH REVOLVER DRAWN WOULD PUT IT AWAY BEFORE HIS ENCOUNTER WITH LEE.
FAR MORE LIKELY, THE RIGGED REVOLVER, WHICH COULD NOT FIRE AND HURT ANYBODY -- WHICH MODEL WAS A FAVORITE MODEL FOR OFF-DUTY POLICE TO CARRY, BY THE WAY -- WAS THRUST AT OSWALD IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHOOT HIM AND LEE, A TRAINED MARINE, STOPPED HIM FROM DOING SO.
THE OFFICERS THEN COULD NOT SHOOT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HIT THE ARRESING OFFICER.
LEE SAW IT COMING.
HE STRUCK THE OFFICER SO HE WOULDN'T BE SHOT, NOT KNOWING THIS REVOLVER WOULD BE PLANTED ON HIS PERSON AFTER THEY SHOT HIM DEAD.
THE ARRESTING OFFICER WAS IN ABSOLUTELY NO DANGER AND MAY EVEN HAVE TRIED TO THRUST HIS REVOLVER INTO LEE'S PANTS, FROM HIS DESCRIPTION OF THE EVENT -- A DESCRIPTION, HOWEVER, THAT INCLUDED HIS SAYING THAT HE HAD HIS REVOLVER DRAWN INSIDE THE THEATER.
HENCE LEE THEN SHOUTS THAT HE IS NOT RESISTING ARREST AS THEY PULL HIM DOWN---SO THEY COULD NOT SHOOT HIM....
SEVERAL ACCOUNTS TALK ABOUT HEARING A 'CLICK' WHICH IS, IN FACT, ABSURD IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT KIND OF REVOLVER. ACCORDING TO (NOW DECEASED, BUT I HAVE HIS CORRESPONDENCE) BALLISICS EXPERT JOHN RITCHSON -- THE WAY IT WAS RIGGED NOT TO FIRE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE A SOUND AS DESCRIBED...
ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER: THE HOLSTER.
WOULD LEE OSWALD HAVE JUST PULLED THE SNIUB NOSE .38 FROM THE HOLSTER INSTEAD OF JUST GRABBING THE HOLSTER WITH REVOLVER AND HURRIEDLY BELTING IT ON? WHAT'S A HOLSTER FOR?
BUT, YOU SEE, THEY HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT A HOLSTER WAS PRESENT IN HIS BOARDING HOUSE ROOM TO HELP TIE HIM TO OWNING A REVOLVER...
WE HAVE RECENLY LEARNED THAT THE DALLAS POLICE WERE FAMOUS FOR PLANTING FALSE EVIDENCE BACK THEN, AND OVERDID SOME OF THE PLANTED EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE...
HERE'S A FACT:
LEE OSWALD DIDN'T LKE HOLSTERS AND -- VERY CAREFUL WIH HIS MONEY -- WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED ONE.
HE CARRIED THE S&W I SAW IN A SMALL GREEN BAG,
HE THOUGHT HOLSTERS WERE 'TOO OBVIOUS.'
HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE HE BROUGHT A SMALL GREEN BAG TO CARRY THE REVOLVER (WHICH WAS STORED IN ITS ORIGINAL BOX) AND MENTIONED IT.
I DO NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN DALLAS, PERSONALLY, ONLY WHAT LEE TOLD ME SOME 37 1/2 HOURS EARLIER.....
BUT I DO KNOW THAT LEE OSWALD SAID HE KEPT HIS FIREARMS AT BANISTER'S BECAUSE HIS BABY, JUNE LEE, WAS WALKING AND HE DID NOT WANT HER TO GET INTO HIS GUNS. HE SAID "GUNS."
HE ALSO SAID, AS A JOKE, THAT HE KEPT HIS FIREARMS AT BANISTER'S BUILDING SO IN CASE MARINA GOT REALLY, REALLY MAD AT HIM, SHE WOULDN'T SHOOT HIM.
HE MADE LOTS OF JOKES AND THEY WERE ALL WRY AND IRONIC ONES, LIKE THAT. SOMETIMES IT WAS A BIT HARD TO KNOW WHETHER HE WAS PULLING YOUR LEG OR BEING SEROUS!
NOTE THAT GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILDT IN "I'M A PATSY!" (WHICH THE HSCA HAS), LISTS ABOUT A DOZEN JOKES THAT LEE TOLD HIM...
THEREFORE I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE DALLAS' FINEST PLANTED THE HOLSTER.
JUST AS THEY TRIED TO SAY LEE OSWALD HAD A 'MAP' -- IN ALL THE PAPERS...SHOWING THE BULLET PATHS [THE TRAJECTORIES] HE PLANNED TO SHOOT! -- THEN QUIETLY IT GOES AWAY AS IT WAS NO SUCH THING...BUT OSWALD IS THUS A HATED MAN...
I DONT' KNOW EVERYHING ABOUT LEE, OF COURSE, BUT I KNOW ENOUGH AND REMEMBER ENOUGH TO EASILY PICK OUT WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT ABOUT A LOT OF THE "SO-CALLED EVIDENCE" (THE SAME TERM LEE USED, BY THE WAY).
I HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN THESE THINGS OUT FOR POSTERITY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. FOR AS JFK SAID, WE ARE ALL MORTAL.
I'M DOING THIS FOR JFK, TOO, [HOPEFULLY] TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO ADMIT THEY PULLED A COUP ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY I AM GRATEFUL THAT AFTER EFFORTS OF TEN YEARS, WHERE I KEPT GETTING HUMBLED AND SHOUTED DOWN, DR. FETZER IS KEEPING THIS THREAD ON TRACK, DESPITE ALL SORTS OF SIDE QUESTIONS -- WHICH HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ELSEWHERE BUT SEEMS EVERYBODY 'FORGOT' THESE QUESIONS THAT WERE ANSWERED -- SUCH AS THE OFF-THE-SUBJECT ONE ABOUT MY TRANSLATING HIEROGLYPHS, WHICH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN DO, INCLUDING ME, BUT WHICH IS COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC.
THIS IS HOW THEY EXHAUSTED ME BEFORE, FOR I HAVE STRENGTH LIMITATIONS.
IT IS LIKE HAVING TO JUMP HURDLE AFTER HURDLE JUST TO BE ABLE TO POST ANSWERS ON SERIOUS QUESTIONS, SUCH AS THE SERIOUS AND RELEVANT QUESTION YOU SO ASKED, WHICH I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
JVB
[quote name='Don Jeffries' post='187775' date='Mar 25 2010, 07:13 AM']
Jim,
I didn't mean to criticize the way this thread has been handled. I didn't realize JVB was a member, and also was unaware that it is physically that difficult for her to post. Sorry for any confusion.
Judith, I'm interested in exactly what LHO told you about the impending assassination. Of particular interest to me is the comment about him perhaps firing a warning shot. This would indicate he was going to be carrying a gun (or have access to one) that day. Did he tell you that he was bringing a rifle to the TSBD? I apologize if this has been gone over before, and you've previously addressed this subject. Thanks.[/quote]