Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH RESPONDS TO LOLA ABOUT PHONE CALLS:

Regarding the phone-calls using mafia-lines I believe intel was also listening to your conversations

==Nope. I have not shown you the call wheel we used...The betting lines I describe were uncovered only after millions of free calls had been made on them! We did have the newspaper article and can find it again, i hope. ==

I showed the call wheel method to "60 Minutes" and wish it would be in the book. Perhaps we can find time sometme to post it on my blog. There was no way anybody would know what pay phone we would be using or at what particlar time...It was pure genius and was invented by the CIA.

Unbreakable.

However, some mafia guy migh a some time have picked up one or more of our conversations...Most mafia were NOT involved with the CIA, though.... Overgeneralizations can lead to thinking that ALL mafia were involved with the CIA, which was never the case.==

JUDYTH REPLIES TO LOLA ABOUT KEEPING SILENT:

Since they had already decided that Lee was going to become the patsy, he probably didn't tell you anything that CIA thought fundamental because you would have been killed.

==Look at it this way -- At the time I was age 20, living in Florida, unable to contact anyone in New Orleans or I'm dead, so I don't. I'm watched over by Giancana to make sure I do not even make any more science classes. Later I was watched over by Harry Ransom to stop me in Texas. Had I spoken of injecting cancers, of bioweapons, of the great Alton Ochsner as having been involved -- who would have believed a word I said?==

ON THE RECORD I WAS A SECRETARY AT REILYS, A COFFEE COMPANY. THE MOST PATRIOTIC COFFEE COMPANY ON EARTH.

AWARE THAT DR. SHERMAN, DAVE FERRIE, MY SISTER AND OTHERS I LOVED WOULD DIE, THEY WATCHED ME AWHILE AND -- THINK OF IT -- I STOPPED ALL CANCER OF MY RESEARCH EFFORTS. ALL OF THEM.

I WANTED TO KILL MYSELF AT FIRST, THEN JUS WENT INTO DEEP DEPRESSON. IT WOULD BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE I HAD A BABY. THAT WAS A LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE IN THE 60'S TO WAIT...

NOBODY WOULD HAVE BELIEVED ME. OCHSNER WAS ALIVE AND WOULD HAVE DENIED ALL....

HECK, DR. SHERMAN AND DAVE WOULD DENY ALL TO SAVE THEIR SKINS.

ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS MY HUSBAND WOULD HAVE DIVORCED ME. MY PARENTS AD BECOME ABUSIVE, MY SISTER WAS NEWLY MARRIED AND HER HUSBAND OUT TO SEA. SHE LIVED WITH SOME FRIEND -- I WAS TRAPPED AND HAD NOWHERE TO GO, NO LIFE, NO FUTURE.

THERE ARE OTHERS WHO KNEW A LOT WHO DID NOT GET SILENCED. DAVE FERRIE KNEW SO MUCH BUT NOT UNTIL 1967 DID THEY FINALLY KILLED HIM -- OF COURSE, THEY SAID IT WAS NATURAL CAUSES.

DEMOHRENSCHILDT LIVED UNTIL HSCA CAME ALONG, THEN HE WAS FOUND WITH A SHOTGUN IN HIS MOUTH AFTER AGREEING TO TALK TO THEM... THOSE WHO TALKED ARE THE ONES WHO GOT KILLED

JVB

JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK (IN PART):

ABOUT THOSE LATE NIGHT PHONE CALLS:

AS FOR THE MAFIA BETTING LINE, WE HAVE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT A MASSIVE BETTING RING BEING UNCOVERED...
HERE WAS ONE IN 1957, SOON AFTER THE APPALACHIA MAFIA ROUNDUP::

"About two weeks after that raid, federal agents broke up a Terre Haute, Ind., gambling operation that handled as much as $10 million in bets during a 10-week period. A federal grand jury was convened to investigate the gambling operation. More than 170 people nationwide were subpoenaed, and Ryan was one of them. The investigation uncovered a nationwide telephone betting system that had wagers on everything from college and professional football to the World Series. Bets on single games were as high as $10,000."

http://www.haciendahotsprings.com/RayRyan.htm

THIS 1964 BOOK--MENTIONS MAFIA BETTING LINES...

Organized Crime / U.S.

...There's an entire chain of mini-conspiracies, ... It's about Mafia influence in U.S. business: trucking, garbage, the meat industry, ...This book also offers an introduction to the world of betting lines, odds makers and ...
Montreal: Pocket Books, 1964. 241 pages.

WE HAD ACCESS TO A MAFIA HORSE RACE BETTING LINE WITH SOME SPECIAL PHONE NUMBERS. AS ONE RESEARCHER WHO INVESTIGATED ME (AND THEN BECAME A SUPPORTER) OBSERVED, AFTER TRACING THE PHONE LINE ROUTES, IN NEWSPAPER ARTICLES FROM 1964-1965, "MAYBE THE FBI DIDN'T HEAR THEM TALKING, BUT THE MAFIA COULD." THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'D NEVER CONSIDERED...SO I GUESS MONK IS RIGHT ABOUT 'WISDOM' AFTER ALL....

JVB

[quote name='Jack White' post='187712' date='Mar 24 2010, 08:41 PM']
Thanks for the laundromat information. I had never seen that. As I recall from the DellaRosa forum,
some researcher had researched a possible laundromat and could find none. I cannot remember
the name of the researcher who said there was no laundromat.

I recall that years later when I finally checked out Beckley Street in person, there was a gas station
across from the 1026 rooming house...and no signs of a washateria; the rest was residential.
Perhaps the laundromat was converted later to a gas station. I remember looking on both
Beckley and Zang for a washateria, and could find none...but that was many years later, so it
could have closed.

I also noted that your info said the washateria closed at midnight. As I recall JVB's claim, it was
said to be a 24-hour place, and that the phone calls were often after midnight.

Also, the claim is that somehow a mafia phone line was patched into the pay phone. I cannot
imagine this happening without the knowledge of Southwestern Bell.

Thanks.

Jack

I find the research about the prohibitively high cost of long distance calls from a payphone in a laudromat clear, compelling and checkable.

I'm afraid I don't regard the fact that the Mob ran "a nationwide telephone betting system that had wagers on everything from college and professional football to the World Series" much of a rebuttal.

How did LHO learn of these mafia "free phones"?

Why would LHO have been given access to mafia "free phones" to make long distance love calls? That's not helping the Mob to make money.