Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[James H. Fetzer]

JIM DIRECTS QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TO JACK:

HOW CAN YOU DENY THERE WERE "CONNECTIONS" TO THE MOB
IF HIS UNCLE WAS AN ASSOCIATE OF MARCELLO? YOU APPEAR
TO BE EVADING THE QUESTION. IF HIS UNCLE WAS ASSOCIATED
WITH MARCELLO, THEN LEE HAD CONNECTIONS TO THE MAFIA!

NOT ONLY THAT BUT, ACCORDING TO JUDYTH, LEE EVEN KNEW
MARCHELLO PERSONALLY AND ENCOUNTERED HIM AT THE "500
CLUB", WHERE HE AND RUBY AND MARCELLO DISCUSSED GUN
RUNNING. BUT YOU DENY HE HAD CONNECTIONS TO THE MOB?

SHOULDN'T YOU BE MAKING FAR MORE QUALIFIED ASSERTIONS,
SUCH AS THAT, UNLESS WHAT JUDYTH IS SAYING IS TRUE, AS
FAR AS YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN A RUMORED ASSOCIATION OF
UNCLE DUTZ TO MARCELLO, HE HAD NO MAFIA CONNECTIONS?

THERE ARE SEVERAL POSTS ON THIS FORUM THAT SUGGEST THE
USE OF A BETTING LINE BY LEE AND JUDYTH WAS NOT BEYOND
THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. ARE YOU WILLING TO ADMIT THAT
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHAT JUDYTH SAID ABOUT IT WAS TRUE?

BOTH OF THESE CASES ARE EXAMPLES OF SMALL POINTS WHERE
YOUR EXTREME BIAS AGAINST JUDYTH IS SHOWING. I AM SORRY
TO SAY IT, JACK, BUT THE QUESTIONS I AM ASKING BELOW ARE
FAR MORE SERIOUS AND I AM NOT GETTING ANSWERS FROM YOU.

YOU ARE POSTING PHOTOS SHOWING A "SECOND MARGUERITE"
WAS TALLER THAN THE ONE AT THE FUNERAL. THAT'S FINE, IF
WE HAVE GOOD REASONS TO TAKE THIS SECOND "MARGUERITE"
AS A REAL PERSON AND THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AS AUTHENTIC.

YOU ARE ALSO POSTING (ON THE SIMKIN FORUM) PHOTOGRAPHS
THAT SHOW THAT ROBERT OSWALD WAS VIRTUALLY LEE'S TWIN.
I AM THEREFORE NOW ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT ROBERT AND
WHETHER HE COULD HAVE IMPERSONATED LEE OVER AND OVER.

HERE IS WHAT I HAVE POSTED AT SIMKIN:

WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES OF SELECTION
THAT JOHN ARMSTRONG USED TO DETERMINE WHICH RECORDS
AND DOCUMENTS WERE GENUINE AND WHICH NOT, YOU OFFER
NO RESPONSE. THAT SUGGESTS HE VACUUMED ALL OF THEM UP.

I AM ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE PROVENANCE OF THE PHOTOS
OF THE SECOND MARGUERITE. MY FATHER'S SECOND WIFE WAS
ALSO NAMED "MARGUERITE". I COULD OFFER PHOTOGRAPHS OF
HER AND IDENTIFY HER AS A "SECOND MARGUERITE" AS WELL.

THE POINT I AM MAKING, JACK, IS THAT IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO
FIND PHOTOS AND MAKE CLAIMS ABOUT THE IDENTITY OF THOSE
SHOWN. IF JOHN HAD NO PRINCIPLES FOR SORTING DOCUMENTS,
WHAT DID HE DO TO DETERMINE THE PROVENANCE OF PHOTOS?

AND IT APPEARS RATHER OBVIOUS AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT
SOME OF THE IMAGES OF "THE TWO OSWALDS" ARE PHONY OR
FAKED. KATHY SPOTTED IT AND JUDYTH AGREES AS DO I THAT
ONE ON WHICH YOU HEAVILY DEPEND APPEARS TO BE ALTERED.

I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
MORE AND MORE, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
CHILD'S PLAY TO CREATE A PARALLEL IMPERSONATION. I HAVE
HIS BOOK, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING SOME ANSWERS.

AND HASN'T ROBERT BEEN DISPOSED TO SUPPORT THE THEORY
THAT HIS BROTHER WAS THE ASSASSIN? SINCE THAT IS PURE
FANTASY, DOESN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT HE (ROBERT) MAY HAVE
BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED? WHO BETTER TO IMPERSONATE LEE?

IF YOU AND JOHN DON'T HAVE DIRECT, CONVINCING ANSWERS
TO THESE QUESTIONS, THEN I AM GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME
TAKING ALL OF THIS SERIOUSLY. YOU HAD AN OBVIOUS DOUBLE
AT HAND. HOW MUCH TIME HAVE YOU SPENT IN STUDYING HIM?

[quote name='James H. Fetzer' post='187966' date='Mar 27 2010, 03:18 AM']
IS IT POSSIBLE ROBERT COULD HAVE BEEN A "SECOND OSWALD"?
DID YOU AND JOHN ATTEMPT TO TRACK ROBERT'S WHEREABOUTS
ON CRUCIAL DATES? THE PHOTO ABOVE ON THE LEFT DOES NOT
LOOK TO ME REMOTELY LIKE LEE OSWALD. I DOUBT THAT IT IS.

[quote name='Jack White' post='187962' date='Mar 27 2010, 03:04 AM']
Lee and Robert were almost as interchangeable as twins.

Jack[/quote]
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Jack,

How can you say--in the same post, no less--that Lee "had no mafia
connections", while acknowledging that he had an uncle who was, as
you put it, "'reputed' to have a connection with [mafia boss] Marcello"?

I appears to me that you are excusing the contradiction because you
do not know any better personally. I take it there are multiple sources
that support the alleged connection between Dutz Murret and Marcello.

Judyth reports that Lee knew Marcello personally. Would you at least
grant that, if the alleged connection between Dutz Murret and Marcello
did exist, then there was "a connection" between Lee and the mafia?

Jim

...

How did LHO learn of these mafia "free phones"?

Why would LHO have been given access to mafia "free phones" to make long distance love calls? That's not helping the Mob to make money.

I believe LHO's step father was involved in the mob numbers racket in New Orleans, which was 'somehow' linked to the mob heirarchy in Dallas... FWIW

David...John Pic was an insurance man. Ed Ekdahl was an electrical
engineer. Those were LHO's only step-fathers, and both marriages
were brief. I know of no mafia connections. Perhaps you are thinking
of Dutz Murret, who I think was an uncle. He was "reputed" to have
a connection to Marcello. His daughter Dorothea, if my memory is
correct, was in the CIA, and had contact with LHO in Japan. She would
be LHO's cousin, I think.

Jack