03-04-2010, 06:09 PM
JUDYTH RESPONDS TO DEAN HAGERMAN ON FRIENDSHIP
NOTE: This has nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do
with truth. My relationship with Jack and with David is not going
to change because of our differences about Judyth. But what we
know and understand about Lee may change because I am willing
to stand up for her and give her another opportunity to be heard.
JUDYTH REPLIES:
Jim
Please think about this for a second
Is it really worth it to you to put a wedge in your friendships with Jack White and David Lifton, two guys who have worked with you on the Z-film and many other things for over 10+ years, two guys who back you up and have the same theories as you over Judyth whom you have been talking with for a very short period of time?
==FRIENDSHIPS ARE IMPORTANT. SO IS THE TRUTH. YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEORIES. I AM A WITNESS. ==
It really hurts me to see you guys trading words over Judyth who is sitting at home right now laughing her butt off over the fact that she is turning fellow researchers against each other.
==BY NO MEANS HAVE I BEEN LAUGHING. I WARNED JIM WHEN THIS BEGAN THAT HE WOULD BE ATTACKED BY JACK WHITE AND OTHERS IF HE POSTED ON THE FORUM. THIS BEGAN WITH SOME INTERVIEWS AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A BLOG. I MOURN THE FACT THAT FEELINGS ARE GETTING INVOLVED. I HAVE STAYED OFF THE FORUMS FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. I HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENT TO DIVIDE PEOPLE.==
Please Jim take a step back and look at whats going on.
I hate this thread, I hate the fact that Judyth has done this, I know she is very happy that she has you against Jack and David two researchers who dont believe her story
==HE KNOWS THIS? HE'S VERY WRONG. I GRIEVE OVER IT.====
I hope you dont take my post the wrong way Jim because im behind you no matter what, im also behind Jack and David no matter what
Dean
DEAN, YOU NEVER MET ME. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT FEELS TO BE ATTACKED. HOW CAN I BE LAUGHING WHEN I'M PERSONALLY ATTACKED AND DR. FETZER IS BEING FAULTED FOR HAVING INTERVIEWED ME AND COLLECTED INFORMATION, AND THEN SEES THAT I HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY ATTACKED ON THE FORUM? LOOK HOW JOSIAH THOMPSON GOES AFTER DR. FETZER, AND IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE Z FILM, NOT ME -- JUST A CHANCE TO JUMP IN AND TAKE HIS DIGS. I THINK JACK WHITE AND DAVID LIFTON HAVE DONE FINE RESEARCH, BUT PERSONAL APPEALS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ESTABLISHING THE TRUTH. I COMMEND DR. FETZER FOR INSISTING ON LEAVING 'FRIENDSHIP' OUT OF HIS. HIS FEELINGS FOR JACK WILL NEVER CHANGE. WE CAN HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON SOME THINGS WITHOUT ANY AFFRONT TO TRUE FRIENDSHIP. DIVISION OVER INTERPRETING THESE SCIENTIFICALLY OBSERVABLE MATTERS SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERSONAL MILIEU OF FRIENDSHIP.
JVB
[quote name='Dean Hagerman' post='188597' date='Apr 3 2010, 03:05 AM']
Jim
Please think about this for a second
Is it really worth it to you to put a wedge in your friendships with Jack White and David Lifton, two guys who have worked with you on the Z-film and many other things for over 10+ years, two guys who back you up and have the same theories as you over Judyth whom you have been talking with for a very short period of time?
It really hurts me to see you guys trading words over Judyth who is sitting at home right now laughing her butt off over the fact that she is turning fellow researchers against each other.
Please Jim take a step back and look at whats going on.
I hate this thread, I hate the fact that Judyth has done this, I know she is very happy that she has you against Jack and David two researchers who dont believe her story
I hope you dont take my post the wrong way Jim because im behind you no matter what, im also behind Jack and David no matter what
Dean[/quote]
NOTE: This has nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do
with truth. My relationship with Jack and with David is not going
to change because of our differences about Judyth. But what we
know and understand about Lee may change because I am willing
to stand up for her and give her another opportunity to be heard.
JUDYTH REPLIES:
Jim
Please think about this for a second
Is it really worth it to you to put a wedge in your friendships with Jack White and David Lifton, two guys who have worked with you on the Z-film and many other things for over 10+ years, two guys who back you up and have the same theories as you over Judyth whom you have been talking with for a very short period of time?
==FRIENDSHIPS ARE IMPORTANT. SO IS THE TRUTH. YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEORIES. I AM A WITNESS. ==
It really hurts me to see you guys trading words over Judyth who is sitting at home right now laughing her butt off over the fact that she is turning fellow researchers against each other.
==BY NO MEANS HAVE I BEEN LAUGHING. I WARNED JIM WHEN THIS BEGAN THAT HE WOULD BE ATTACKED BY JACK WHITE AND OTHERS IF HE POSTED ON THE FORUM. THIS BEGAN WITH SOME INTERVIEWS AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A BLOG. I MOURN THE FACT THAT FEELINGS ARE GETTING INVOLVED. I HAVE STAYED OFF THE FORUMS FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. I HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENT TO DIVIDE PEOPLE.==
Please Jim take a step back and look at whats going on.
I hate this thread, I hate the fact that Judyth has done this, I know she is very happy that she has you against Jack and David two researchers who dont believe her story
==HE KNOWS THIS? HE'S VERY WRONG. I GRIEVE OVER IT.====
I hope you dont take my post the wrong way Jim because im behind you no matter what, im also behind Jack and David no matter what
Dean
DEAN, YOU NEVER MET ME. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT FEELS TO BE ATTACKED. HOW CAN I BE LAUGHING WHEN I'M PERSONALLY ATTACKED AND DR. FETZER IS BEING FAULTED FOR HAVING INTERVIEWED ME AND COLLECTED INFORMATION, AND THEN SEES THAT I HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY ATTACKED ON THE FORUM? LOOK HOW JOSIAH THOMPSON GOES AFTER DR. FETZER, AND IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE Z FILM, NOT ME -- JUST A CHANCE TO JUMP IN AND TAKE HIS DIGS. I THINK JACK WHITE AND DAVID LIFTON HAVE DONE FINE RESEARCH, BUT PERSONAL APPEALS ABOUT FRIENDSHIP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ESTABLISHING THE TRUTH. I COMMEND DR. FETZER FOR INSISTING ON LEAVING 'FRIENDSHIP' OUT OF HIS. HIS FEELINGS FOR JACK WILL NEVER CHANGE. WE CAN HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON SOME THINGS WITHOUT ANY AFFRONT TO TRUE FRIENDSHIP. DIVISION OVER INTERPRETING THESE SCIENTIFICALLY OBSERVABLE MATTERS SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERSONAL MILIEU OF FRIENDSHIP.
JVB
[quote name='Dean Hagerman' post='188597' date='Apr 3 2010, 03:05 AM']
Jim
Please think about this for a second
Is it really worth it to you to put a wedge in your friendships with Jack White and David Lifton, two guys who have worked with you on the Z-film and many other things for over 10+ years, two guys who back you up and have the same theories as you over Judyth whom you have been talking with for a very short period of time?
It really hurts me to see you guys trading words over Judyth who is sitting at home right now laughing her butt off over the fact that she is turning fellow researchers against each other.
Please Jim take a step back and look at whats going on.
I hate this thread, I hate the fact that Judyth has done this, I know she is very happy that she has you against Jack and David two researchers who dont believe her story
I hope you dont take my post the wrong way Jim because im behind you no matter what, im also behind Jack and David no matter what
Dean[/quote]