06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
JUDYTH OFFERS AN ADDENDUM FOR BARB ABOUT THE LIBRARY
NOTE: I don't quite understand why Barb seem to think that I did not see
that an old post of hers was included in the earlier reply from Judyth about
the library. This appears to me to be an excellent example of a rather trivial
issue, where Judyth's explanations of when Lee arrived in New Orleans was
better than Lifton's and her discussion of Lee's discharge was far superior to
Jack's and where I have yet to learn his answer to the following questions,
which are just the least bit more consequential than the library's height:
What did you do to cope with the possibility that you were actually dealing
with a counterfeit history to allow this one man, who was working for the CIA,
to return to society with an appropriate cover story based upon the false history
that you and John, alas!, appear to have mistaken for real? I have asked you
this question several times now, my friend, but you have never answered it.
Just tell me which documents you excluded because you came to realize that,
although they were real documents, their content was false? Please tell me.
JUDYTH REPLIES
I described the library as five stories high, which was my impression due to
the landings tha I, handicapped, tried to navigate. The few times I was there
either the elevator was not working, or, a librarian was stationed to go retrieve
books that had been boxed up, by means of a call number.
The library description -- that I thought it was five stories high -- should also go
far to prove that I was hardly ever there. Which was the case.
My own building (where I taught) was the English building, which had its own big
library (English literature, of course). So I had little need to go to the 'big' library..
I never said I was there often.
I brought up the library because it was nearby and I had been asked if I had
accessed information there. Did Barb assume I was tthere all the time? If so,
why would I have misreported how many floors the library had? It was under
construction. By the way, I am allergic to dust and almost gagged the first time
I went in there.
I avoided the library, but when forced to go there for some other reason, of
course I did try, in 1999, to access some information. I was not successful.,
My daughter knows I did no research in 1998 to the very end of that year,
as she lived with me. My entire family knows that as a busy single parent
with four children, working full-time, I had no 'research' time for anything
like that. We lived in Bradenton, Florida, where i was not about to ge into
such things. My children did not attend Manatee High, where i aended, to
avoid the past.
But their grandmother lived here, and i wanted 'family' nearby.
My children remember my walking out when in 1991- early 1992 my son
brought "JFK" to our house to watch. They remember because I never did
that. We always had lots of kids over for a Saturday night pizza pary and
movie, and I was the chaperone, but thist ime--the only time--I walked out.
So they remembered that vividly.
I could not bear to watch it or think of it, or to see somebody acting as Lee....
Only when my daughter went on her honeymoon right after Chrismas, 1998,
did I decide to see "JFK", and because of that film, decided to speak out.
Originally I was going to take it all to my grave.
Oliver Stone said silence is cowardice.I felt ashamed, and decided to speak out.
A professor finally told me the public library had a set of the 26 volumes, some-
time in the fall of 1999, and at that time I finally had access. I did no research
and had only read OSWALD"S TALE and MARINA AND LEE at the public library.
JVB
[quote name='Barb Junkkarinen' post='188824' date='Apr 4 2010, 10:40 PM']
Yes, Fetzer, it must all be a plot against you ....ROTFL. See post #305, that is when I first posted on this topic in this thread.
The post Judyth attributes to Martin below is MY post, in a thread I started on the moderated group on 6-12-09 .... reposted in this thread, post #305. I quoted his post within it for the Judyth quote it contains.
I am happy to stand by my documented post which addressed and accounted for the oft made claims by Judyth (and by her supporters who were in the role Fetzer is now) that the books were on an upper floor, that she had no access because the elevator was not available for a whole year and she couldn't manage the stairs, so she couldn't have done any research even if she had wanted to do so.
The reason this is an issue is because Judyth has sworn up and down that she had never read Haslam's book, nor any others (it wasn't a 26 volumes issue, per se), nor had done any research when she had first come forward... and she used the library construction and claim of no elevator service for a whole year as her "proof" of that. Silly anyway, given the internet.
This was just one of the often made claims I decided to fact check. Her claim failed as the information in my post below shows.
There was elevator service during the one year construction phase. She was not unable to access anything on an upper floor. That she got the number of floors wrong, while true, is not the main salient point here. She claimed she could not have done research even if she wanted to because there was no elevator service for an entire year. That is not true ... and documented so. People can read and decide for themselves about whether or not Judyth lied about this or not, or why, or if it impacts her veracity, etc. I merely fact checked the claim and reported what I found. And I did not "cherrypick" anything.
I have left my post, which Judyth was kind enough to include in her post, below. I titled the thread,
JUDYTH: The U of Louisiana, Lafayette Library - that post is what Judyth included below.
Barb :-)
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NOTE: I don't quite understand why Barb seem to think that I did not see
that an old post of hers was included in the earlier reply from Judyth about
the library. This appears to me to be an excellent example of a rather trivial
issue, where Judyth's explanations of when Lee arrived in New Orleans was
better than Lifton's and her discussion of Lee's discharge was far superior to
Jack's and where I have yet to learn his answer to the following questions,
which are just the least bit more consequential than the library's height:
What did you do to cope with the possibility that you were actually dealing
with a counterfeit history to allow this one man, who was working for the CIA,
to return to society with an appropriate cover story based upon the false history
that you and John, alas!, appear to have mistaken for real? I have asked you
this question several times now, my friend, but you have never answered it.
Just tell me which documents you excluded because you came to realize that,
although they were real documents, their content was false? Please tell me.
JUDYTH REPLIES
I described the library as five stories high, which was my impression due to
the landings tha I, handicapped, tried to navigate. The few times I was there
either the elevator was not working, or, a librarian was stationed to go retrieve
books that had been boxed up, by means of a call number.
The library description -- that I thought it was five stories high -- should also go
far to prove that I was hardly ever there. Which was the case.
My own building (where I taught) was the English building, which had its own big
library (English literature, of course). So I had little need to go to the 'big' library..
I never said I was there often.
I brought up the library because it was nearby and I had been asked if I had
accessed information there. Did Barb assume I was tthere all the time? If so,
why would I have misreported how many floors the library had? It was under
construction. By the way, I am allergic to dust and almost gagged the first time
I went in there.
I avoided the library, but when forced to go there for some other reason, of
course I did try, in 1999, to access some information. I was not successful.,
My daughter knows I did no research in 1998 to the very end of that year,
as she lived with me. My entire family knows that as a busy single parent
with four children, working full-time, I had no 'research' time for anything
like that. We lived in Bradenton, Florida, where i was not about to ge into
such things. My children did not attend Manatee High, where i aended, to
avoid the past.
But their grandmother lived here, and i wanted 'family' nearby.
My children remember my walking out when in 1991- early 1992 my son
brought "JFK" to our house to watch. They remember because I never did
that. We always had lots of kids over for a Saturday night pizza pary and
movie, and I was the chaperone, but thist ime--the only time--I walked out.
So they remembered that vividly.
I could not bear to watch it or think of it, or to see somebody acting as Lee....
Only when my daughter went on her honeymoon right after Chrismas, 1998,
did I decide to see "JFK", and because of that film, decided to speak out.
Originally I was going to take it all to my grave.
Oliver Stone said silence is cowardice.I felt ashamed, and decided to speak out.
A professor finally told me the public library had a set of the 26 volumes, some-
time in the fall of 1999, and at that time I finally had access. I did no research
and had only read OSWALD"S TALE and MARINA AND LEE at the public library.
JVB
[quote name='Barb Junkkarinen' post='188824' date='Apr 4 2010, 10:40 PM']
Yes, Fetzer, it must all be a plot against you ....ROTFL. See post #305, that is when I first posted on this topic in this thread.
The post Judyth attributes to Martin below is MY post, in a thread I started on the moderated group on 6-12-09 .... reposted in this thread, post #305. I quoted his post within it for the Judyth quote it contains.
I am happy to stand by my documented post which addressed and accounted for the oft made claims by Judyth (and by her supporters who were in the role Fetzer is now) that the books were on an upper floor, that she had no access because the elevator was not available for a whole year and she couldn't manage the stairs, so she couldn't have done any research even if she had wanted to do so.
The reason this is an issue is because Judyth has sworn up and down that she had never read Haslam's book, nor any others (it wasn't a 26 volumes issue, per se), nor had done any research when she had first come forward... and she used the library construction and claim of no elevator service for a whole year as her "proof" of that. Silly anyway, given the internet.
This was just one of the often made claims I decided to fact check. Her claim failed as the information in my post below shows.
There was elevator service during the one year construction phase. She was not unable to access anything on an upper floor. That she got the number of floors wrong, while true, is not the main salient point here. She claimed she could not have done research even if she wanted to because there was no elevator service for an entire year. That is not true ... and documented so. People can read and decide for themselves about whether or not Judyth lied about this or not, or why, or if it impacts her veracity, etc. I merely fact checked the claim and reported what I found. And I did not "cherrypick" anything.
I have left my post, which Judyth was kind enough to include in her post, below. I titled the thread,
JUDYTH: The U of Louisiana, Lafayette Library - that post is what Judyth included below.
Barb :-)
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