06-04-2010, 03:46 PM
JUDYTH RESPONDS TO JACK WHITE ABOUT TRAVELING TO NOLA
NOTE: Judyth already corrected Jack about Lee's "discharge" and his claim that
the 26 supporting volumes had an "index". Here she corrects him about how we
know that Lee traveled to New Orleans from Dallas. Judyth has already explained
it, which suggests that either Jack is not reading her posts or misunderstands them.
JUDYTH REPLIES:
Jack White wrote:
In another thread, I commented that I WAS ALWAYS PUZZLED that years ago when
I first read the WR and other books, I was struck by the lack of investigation of how
and when LHO got to NOLA from Dallas. He suddenly decided to leave his pregnant
wife and go to look for work in New Orleans; why not look for work in Dallas? But
the FBI and WC did not document when, why or how this happened. So JVB FILLS
IN THIS BLANK by saying he took a bus. How does she know? She claims he told
her he took a bus...and nobody can dispute her because there is no record.
Jack
There is a record. It was already posted here a few days ago, by Judyth, regarding
the fact that Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine both tesified that Lee took a bus to New
Orleans the day after he placed his belongings in a bus station locker in Dallas. Lee's
aunt testified that he called from the bus station to have his things picked up there.
Jack White is not reading the thread or has misinterpred it.
The reasons why Lee Oswald moved to Dallas have been given to Dr. Fetzer and I
believe they have been posted. If not, they will be. It has to do with his Fair Play
for Cuba assignment and the Walker incident.
JVB
[quote name='Jack White' post='188766' date='Apr 4 2010, 03:53 PM']
[quote name='James H. Fetzer' post='188723' date='Apr 4 2010, 04:23 AM']
JIM RESPONDS TO JACK WHITE WITH A FEW QUESTIONS OF HIS OWN
That does appear to be a lapse. But I'm not sure what to make of it, since in the
same post discussing Robert she explains that Lee received an "undesirable" and
not a "dishonorable" discharge, as you are observing here. I'll ask her about this.
I have two questions for you. In post #756, you remark, relative to the question
of Lee's driving ability, you state (categorically), "I do NOT GRANT that JVB knows
more about Lee's driving than John Armstrong". Aren't you simply assuming this?
In particular, IF JUDYTH'S STORY IS CORRECT AND SHE ACTUALLY DROVE PLACES
WITH THE MAN SHE KNEW AS "LEE", WOULD YOU THEN GRANT THAT SHE KNOWS
MORE ABOUT LEE'S DRIVING THAN JOHN ARMSTRONG? Would you admit as much?
Howard Platzman and I had an interesting conversation today. He told me that he
and Martin Shackelford subjected Judyth to multiple forms of questioning and that,
when "60 Minutes" took an interest, CBS also conducted an investigation of its own.
Martin obtained a copy of Mary Ferrell's chronology of the activities of the man she
knew as "Lee" in New Orleans, but he did not share it with her. He spent a lot of
time asking her about what Lee was doing on specific dates and she answered him.
She was very successful in matching the Ferrell chronology. Martin thought that he
had nailed her on mistakes on two occasions. But it turned out that those were days
when the Ferrell chronology was blank. So Judyth apparently was filling in the blanks.
Is there any quantity or quality of evidence such that, were it to be produced, would
be sufficient to convince you that there is the POSSIBILITY that Judyth might be "the
real deal", even if you could care less and can't imagine why it should matter at all?
[quote name='Jack White' post='188717' date='Apr 4 2010, 05:41 AM']
[[JVB: Robert should know that Lee was not discharged, but placed in the Marine
Reserves, a bit early...]]
Lee Harvey Oswald received an UNDESIRABLE DISCHARGE from the Marines.[/quote]
[/quote]
Read the book. It was HARVEY that JVB knew. Harvey could not drive. LEE (the REAL Lee)
COULD DRIVE. Armstrong documents this.
JVB might be more believable if she DIDN'T fill in all the blanks. Where there are blanks, she inserts
herself.
In another thread, I commented that I WAS ALWAYS PUZZLED that years ago when I first read
the WR and other books, I was struck by the lack of investigation of how and when LHO got to
NOLA from Dallas. He suddenly decided to leave his pregnant wife and go to look for work in
New Orleans; why not look for work in Dallas? But the FBI and WC did not document when, why
or how this happened. So JVB FILLS IN THIS BLANK by saying he took a bus. How does she know?
She claims he told her he took a bus...and nobody can dispute her because there is no record.
Jack
[/quote]
NOTE: Judyth already corrected Jack about Lee's "discharge" and his claim that
the 26 supporting volumes had an "index". Here she corrects him about how we
know that Lee traveled to New Orleans from Dallas. Judyth has already explained
it, which suggests that either Jack is not reading her posts or misunderstands them.
JUDYTH REPLIES:
Jack White wrote:
In another thread, I commented that I WAS ALWAYS PUZZLED that years ago when
I first read the WR and other books, I was struck by the lack of investigation of how
and when LHO got to NOLA from Dallas. He suddenly decided to leave his pregnant
wife and go to look for work in New Orleans; why not look for work in Dallas? But
the FBI and WC did not document when, why or how this happened. So JVB FILLS
IN THIS BLANK by saying he took a bus. How does she know? She claims he told
her he took a bus...and nobody can dispute her because there is no record.
Jack
There is a record. It was already posted here a few days ago, by Judyth, regarding
the fact that Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine both tesified that Lee took a bus to New
Orleans the day after he placed his belongings in a bus station locker in Dallas. Lee's
aunt testified that he called from the bus station to have his things picked up there.
Jack White is not reading the thread or has misinterpred it.
The reasons why Lee Oswald moved to Dallas have been given to Dr. Fetzer and I
believe they have been posted. If not, they will be. It has to do with his Fair Play
for Cuba assignment and the Walker incident.
JVB
[quote name='Jack White' post='188766' date='Apr 4 2010, 03:53 PM']
[quote name='James H. Fetzer' post='188723' date='Apr 4 2010, 04:23 AM']
JIM RESPONDS TO JACK WHITE WITH A FEW QUESTIONS OF HIS OWN
That does appear to be a lapse. But I'm not sure what to make of it, since in the
same post discussing Robert she explains that Lee received an "undesirable" and
not a "dishonorable" discharge, as you are observing here. I'll ask her about this.
I have two questions for you. In post #756, you remark, relative to the question
of Lee's driving ability, you state (categorically), "I do NOT GRANT that JVB knows
more about Lee's driving than John Armstrong". Aren't you simply assuming this?
In particular, IF JUDYTH'S STORY IS CORRECT AND SHE ACTUALLY DROVE PLACES
WITH THE MAN SHE KNEW AS "LEE", WOULD YOU THEN GRANT THAT SHE KNOWS
MORE ABOUT LEE'S DRIVING THAN JOHN ARMSTRONG? Would you admit as much?
Howard Platzman and I had an interesting conversation today. He told me that he
and Martin Shackelford subjected Judyth to multiple forms of questioning and that,
when "60 Minutes" took an interest, CBS also conducted an investigation of its own.
Martin obtained a copy of Mary Ferrell's chronology of the activities of the man she
knew as "Lee" in New Orleans, but he did not share it with her. He spent a lot of
time asking her about what Lee was doing on specific dates and she answered him.
She was very successful in matching the Ferrell chronology. Martin thought that he
had nailed her on mistakes on two occasions. But it turned out that those were days
when the Ferrell chronology was blank. So Judyth apparently was filling in the blanks.
Is there any quantity or quality of evidence such that, were it to be produced, would
be sufficient to convince you that there is the POSSIBILITY that Judyth might be "the
real deal", even if you could care less and can't imagine why it should matter at all?
[quote name='Jack White' post='188717' date='Apr 4 2010, 05:41 AM']
[[JVB: Robert should know that Lee was not discharged, but placed in the Marine
Reserves, a bit early...]]
Lee Harvey Oswald received an UNDESIRABLE DISCHARGE from the Marines.[/quote]
[/quote]
Read the book. It was HARVEY that JVB knew. Harvey could not drive. LEE (the REAL Lee)
COULD DRIVE. Armstrong documents this.
JVB might be more believable if she DIDN'T fill in all the blanks. Where there are blanks, she inserts
herself.
In another thread, I commented that I WAS ALWAYS PUZZLED that years ago when I first read
the WR and other books, I was struck by the lack of investigation of how and when LHO got to
NOLA from Dallas. He suddenly decided to leave his pregnant wife and go to look for work in
New Orleans; why not look for work in Dallas? But the FBI and WC did not document when, why
or how this happened. So JVB FILLS IN THIS BLANK by saying he took a bus. How does she know?
She claims he told her he took a bus...and nobody can dispute her because there is no record.
Jack
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