25-04-2010, 11:52 PM
Jack,
A few questions for my friend, who has evidently gone off the deep end:
(1) Are you now practicing psychology/psychiatry without a license?
(2) Have you ever actually met or spoken with Judyth Vary Baker?
(3) Have you ever watched Nigel Turner's "The Love Affair"?
(4) Have you read MARY, FERRIE, AND THE MONEY VIRUS?
(5) Have you read Ed Haslam's DR. MARY'S MONKEY?
(6) Have you read my blog about Judyth Vary Baker?
(7) Have you listened to my 1-hour Haslem interview?
(8) Have you read my blog about DR. MARY'S MONKEY?
(9) Have you listened to Ed's 4-hour C2C interview?
(10) Are your opinions actually based upon research?
(11) Are you and Barb Junkkarinen now collaborators?
(12) What is the value of opinions not based on research?
Jim
[quote name='Jack White' post='189942' date='Apr 18 2010, 04:07 AM']
If I were an armchair psychiatrist instead of an armchair detective, I would
diagnose this affair as a case of a person with an extreme need to feel
sexually attractive. At the center of the story is a wild immediate sexual
attraction between two strangers, wild passionate trysts arranged by crime
bosses, promises to meet in romantic places for a honeymoon (never mind
that both were married). Wild illicit sex with a historic figure is not uncommon.
How many men had such thoughts about Marilyn Monroe, for instance? Another
form of this is women who fall in love with convicted murderers. The handsome
Ted Bundy, convicted mass murderer, was besieged with romantic mail from
women.
It is more than a passing observation that most of JVB's most passionate
devotees are MEN who have met her in person or spoken at length with her
on the phone. To these she seems to have some sort of charisma that appeals
to some persons and not others...much like "falling in love" defies rational
explanation. She has "something" which makes certain types of men "fall
in love" with her. Her passionate supporters show every sign of "being in love".
If her tales DID NOT INCLUDE THE ALLEGED ROMANCE, they might be much
more believable. It is unlikely that the romance happened, so it is unlikely
that all the other imaginings happened.
It reminds me somewhat of my 27-year career with a large ad agency. In
addition to being the lead art director, I also was "personnel director" (largely
because nobody else wanted to do it). It was my task to interview all job
seekers and recommend hiring or not. I developed a knack of recognizing
phonies as well as "comers". I am proud that much of our agency success
came from the great team I helped assemble. At our peak, we had 50+
employees; today the agency has fewer than ten. Only once did I pick a
dud. She was a dazzling brunette who claimed to be an artist. She had
been recommended by the son of a client. I allowed myself to be more
impressed by her beauty than by her art samples and recommended that
we hire her. Annette did not last three months. She was a phony. Ever
since I learned that lesson, I pay more attention to credentials than to
personal appeal. And I think I know a phony better than most.
Jack
[quote name='Glenn Viklund' post='189934' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:59 PM']
[quote name='Jack White' post='189932' date='Apr 18 2010, 12:33 AM']
[quote name='Glenn Viklund' post='189931' date='Apr 17 2010, 09:43 PM']
Mr Fetzer,
Early on, I asked you a couple of questions. So far, there has been no answers. As this thread - hopefully - is fading out, I'd like to repeat those questions to you.
1. Where do you draw the line? When are you going to realize that this is not a question of "Judyth detractors"?
2. What conclusions do you draw from her consistent lying about her asylum process? None?
And, thirdly, as a matter of this thread:
3. Have you perhaps now realized that you are not the center of the Universe? Not even the center of the JFK assassination research? When you instantly dismiss Mr Harris, of whom "you've never heard", as a phony, could it possibly occur to you that things are happening without your knowledge? And have been, for years?[/quote]
Too bad the late Rich DellaRosa is no longer with us. He investigated the Judyth myths
for about nine months nearly ten years ago (long before Jim ever heard of JVB). Rich
finally had enough of her myths, evasiveness and ever-changing "facts", and told her
so. She departed his forum when she realized she had gained no converts there. She
will depart this forum eventually also, since the only supporter she has converted here
is Jim. What Jim is unaware of, as you say, is that all of this is a rehash of what happened
years before. It is new to Jim. It is deja vu all over again to most of us.
Jack
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Mr White,
It seems to me that many are those who have been blinded by JVB. Most notably those who have met her in person. Your description of "a moving target" is indeed exactly what this is about. The story keeps changing, and the attempts to discredit those who disagree, are becoming more outlandish day by day.
DellaRosa, Ferrell and others who knew her, all seem to have come to the same conclusion.
Mr Fetzer stated very early in this thread that "he didn't know her story". At best, this explains why he's now apparently surprised by the number of people now coming "out of the woodwork".
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A few questions for my friend, who has evidently gone off the deep end:
(1) Are you now practicing psychology/psychiatry without a license?
(2) Have you ever actually met or spoken with Judyth Vary Baker?
(3) Have you ever watched Nigel Turner's "The Love Affair"?
(4) Have you read MARY, FERRIE, AND THE MONEY VIRUS?
(5) Have you read Ed Haslam's DR. MARY'S MONKEY?
(6) Have you read my blog about Judyth Vary Baker?
(7) Have you listened to my 1-hour Haslem interview?
(8) Have you read my blog about DR. MARY'S MONKEY?
(9) Have you listened to Ed's 4-hour C2C interview?
(10) Are your opinions actually based upon research?
(11) Are you and Barb Junkkarinen now collaborators?
(12) What is the value of opinions not based on research?
Jim
[quote name='Jack White' post='189942' date='Apr 18 2010, 04:07 AM']
If I were an armchair psychiatrist instead of an armchair detective, I would
diagnose this affair as a case of a person with an extreme need to feel
sexually attractive. At the center of the story is a wild immediate sexual
attraction between two strangers, wild passionate trysts arranged by crime
bosses, promises to meet in romantic places for a honeymoon (never mind
that both were married). Wild illicit sex with a historic figure is not uncommon.
How many men had such thoughts about Marilyn Monroe, for instance? Another
form of this is women who fall in love with convicted murderers. The handsome
Ted Bundy, convicted mass murderer, was besieged with romantic mail from
women.
It is more than a passing observation that most of JVB's most passionate
devotees are MEN who have met her in person or spoken at length with her
on the phone. To these she seems to have some sort of charisma that appeals
to some persons and not others...much like "falling in love" defies rational
explanation. She has "something" which makes certain types of men "fall
in love" with her. Her passionate supporters show every sign of "being in love".
If her tales DID NOT INCLUDE THE ALLEGED ROMANCE, they might be much
more believable. It is unlikely that the romance happened, so it is unlikely
that all the other imaginings happened.
It reminds me somewhat of my 27-year career with a large ad agency. In
addition to being the lead art director, I also was "personnel director" (largely
because nobody else wanted to do it). It was my task to interview all job
seekers and recommend hiring or not. I developed a knack of recognizing
phonies as well as "comers". I am proud that much of our agency success
came from the great team I helped assemble. At our peak, we had 50+
employees; today the agency has fewer than ten. Only once did I pick a
dud. She was a dazzling brunette who claimed to be an artist. She had
been recommended by the son of a client. I allowed myself to be more
impressed by her beauty than by her art samples and recommended that
we hire her. Annette did not last three months. She was a phony. Ever
since I learned that lesson, I pay more attention to credentials than to
personal appeal. And I think I know a phony better than most.
Jack
[quote name='Glenn Viklund' post='189934' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:59 PM']
[quote name='Jack White' post='189932' date='Apr 18 2010, 12:33 AM']
[quote name='Glenn Viklund' post='189931' date='Apr 17 2010, 09:43 PM']
Mr Fetzer,
Early on, I asked you a couple of questions. So far, there has been no answers. As this thread - hopefully - is fading out, I'd like to repeat those questions to you.
1. Where do you draw the line? When are you going to realize that this is not a question of "Judyth detractors"?
2. What conclusions do you draw from her consistent lying about her asylum process? None?
And, thirdly, as a matter of this thread:
3. Have you perhaps now realized that you are not the center of the Universe? Not even the center of the JFK assassination research? When you instantly dismiss Mr Harris, of whom "you've never heard", as a phony, could it possibly occur to you that things are happening without your knowledge? And have been, for years?[/quote]
Too bad the late Rich DellaRosa is no longer with us. He investigated the Judyth myths
for about nine months nearly ten years ago (long before Jim ever heard of JVB). Rich
finally had enough of her myths, evasiveness and ever-changing "facts", and told her
so. She departed his forum when she realized she had gained no converts there. She
will depart this forum eventually also, since the only supporter she has converted here
is Jim. What Jim is unaware of, as you say, is that all of this is a rehash of what happened
years before. It is new to Jim. It is deja vu all over again to most of us.
Jack
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Mr White,
It seems to me that many are those who have been blinded by JVB. Most notably those who have met her in person. Your description of "a moving target" is indeed exactly what this is about. The story keeps changing, and the attempts to discredit those who disagree, are becoming more outlandish day by day.
DellaRosa, Ferrell and others who knew her, all seem to have come to the same conclusion.
Mr Fetzer stated very early in this thread that "he didn't know her story". At best, this explains why he's now apparently surprised by the number of people now coming "out of the woodwork".
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