04-05-2010, 09:01 PM
Jack,
Why are you running away from a simple question, when you originated it?
You have insisted, over and over again, that Judyth's story is not "logical",
because it involves so many elements that you regard as implausible. But
surely you can admit the same is true of the story of "Harvey" and "Lee".
It, too, has many initially implausible elements. You insist that I have to
read HARVEY & LEE, which I have purchased and have begun to read. I
have encouraged you to read DR. MARY'S MONKEY, which you refuse to
purchase and avow you will never read! In both cases, the stories have
so many "implausible" elements that unless you become immersed in the
evidence, you can't make sense of them. What kind of a researcher does
that: excludes what a fellow student recommends as essential to under-
stand the case they are both engaged in studying? Tell me, Jack, since
that is the kind of "researcher" you have become--one who is unwilling
to consider some of the most important evidence about this very case.
Jim
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE APPEAL TO WHAT IS "LOGICAL" AND WHAT IS NOT
Truth can be stranger than fiction. When you look where you've been, sometimes
you had no idea where you were going. Judyth was talented at cancer research.
She was lured to New Orleans by Alton Ochsner. There was a problem with the
polio vaccine, which had to be treated covertly to avoid alarming the public. Dr.
Mary Sherman was engaged in research there. The experiments did involve mice
and monkeys. David Ferrie and others were involved in conducting that research.
It involved the use of a linear particle accelerator. Someone had to have assisted
her. Judyth and Lee were hired by Riley's on the same day. Judyth kept the time
cards and other records for Oswald. Anna Lewis has testified that she and David,
her husband, even "double-dated" with Judyth and Lee. Mary Sherman was killed,
apparently using a linear particle accelerator. The death scene at her apartment
was staged. Ochsner did inoculate his grandchildren, killing one, while inducing
polio in the other. Judyth does appear to have been summarily sacked after she
protested the use of a prisoner in a (fatal) experiment without informed consent.
David Ferrie appears to have been silenced; and Ruby, too, using the bio-weapon.
And a second "Judyth Vary Baker" was used to impersonate the real Judyth Vary.
What could be a greater stretch than the idea of "two Oswalds", both having the
same name, one called "Harvey", the other "Lee", who even attended the same
schools, though not at the same time, where one was born in Hungary, physically
unimposing but intellectually able, who spoke fluent Russian but could not drive,
while the other had a propensity for violence, could drive but could not speak any
Russian and who had no interest in political philosophy or matters intellectual,
both of whom had mothers by the same name, where one of them ("Lee") lost
a tooth at Beauregard Junior High School, but Lillian Murret, the aunt of the
other ("Harvey"), paid for his dental bill, where his brother, Robert, who looks
exactly like him, is not supposed to be related genetically and who could have
effortlessly impersonated him did not, even though, after the assassination, he
would give lectures and publish a book falsely blaming his brother for a crime
he did not commit, where not only Aunt Lillian but Robert, Marguerite, and
Marina all knew of the existence of both "Harvey" and "Lee", even though none
of them ever uttered a peep! Neither of these stories is "logical" in the sense
Jack intends. Yet, I submit, at least one of these stories appears to be true.
[quote name='Jack White' post='190970' date='Apr 27 2010, 03:50 AM']
[quote name='Greg Burnham' post='190907' date='Apr 26 2010, 05:30 PM']
[quote name='Barb Junkkarinen' post='190902' date='Apr 26 2010, 09:13 AM']
[snip]...
Bizarre. LHO writing in the margins of her book would establish she knew him. Just how/why you would think it would automatically establish anything beyond that ... like working in some secret Ferrie kitchen cancer bioweapon lab is nonsensical. [snip]...[/quote]
Barb,
While I agree with you that even if the above item is shown to be Oswald's writing it does not prove all of her other claims are true. However, why are you asking for this handwriting verification if its only purpose is to substantiate that which you have already conceded based on other evidence? If you have already conceded the high probability that they knew each other based on their concurrent employment at Reily's, why ask for this exercise in futility since, as you say, it won't prove anything beyond that which you already concede anyway?
[/quote]
Why must we ASSUME that LHO and JVB knew each other because they both worked at Reily's? We have only her word for it.
He was a machinery worker; she was an office worker. It is not uncommon that in a large company not every worker will know every other worker.
[/quote]
Why are you running away from a simple question, when you originated it?
You have insisted, over and over again, that Judyth's story is not "logical",
because it involves so many elements that you regard as implausible. But
surely you can admit the same is true of the story of "Harvey" and "Lee".
It, too, has many initially implausible elements. You insist that I have to
read HARVEY & LEE, which I have purchased and have begun to read. I
have encouraged you to read DR. MARY'S MONKEY, which you refuse to
purchase and avow you will never read! In both cases, the stories have
so many "implausible" elements that unless you become immersed in the
evidence, you can't make sense of them. What kind of a researcher does
that: excludes what a fellow student recommends as essential to under-
stand the case they are both engaged in studying? Tell me, Jack, since
that is the kind of "researcher" you have become--one who is unwilling
to consider some of the most important evidence about this very case.
Jim
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE APPEAL TO WHAT IS "LOGICAL" AND WHAT IS NOT
Truth can be stranger than fiction. When you look where you've been, sometimes
you had no idea where you were going. Judyth was talented at cancer research.
She was lured to New Orleans by Alton Ochsner. There was a problem with the
polio vaccine, which had to be treated covertly to avoid alarming the public. Dr.
Mary Sherman was engaged in research there. The experiments did involve mice
and monkeys. David Ferrie and others were involved in conducting that research.
It involved the use of a linear particle accelerator. Someone had to have assisted
her. Judyth and Lee were hired by Riley's on the same day. Judyth kept the time
cards and other records for Oswald. Anna Lewis has testified that she and David,
her husband, even "double-dated" with Judyth and Lee. Mary Sherman was killed,
apparently using a linear particle accelerator. The death scene at her apartment
was staged. Ochsner did inoculate his grandchildren, killing one, while inducing
polio in the other. Judyth does appear to have been summarily sacked after she
protested the use of a prisoner in a (fatal) experiment without informed consent.
David Ferrie appears to have been silenced; and Ruby, too, using the bio-weapon.
And a second "Judyth Vary Baker" was used to impersonate the real Judyth Vary.
What could be a greater stretch than the idea of "two Oswalds", both having the
same name, one called "Harvey", the other "Lee", who even attended the same
schools, though not at the same time, where one was born in Hungary, physically
unimposing but intellectually able, who spoke fluent Russian but could not drive,
while the other had a propensity for violence, could drive but could not speak any
Russian and who had no interest in political philosophy or matters intellectual,
both of whom had mothers by the same name, where one of them ("Lee") lost
a tooth at Beauregard Junior High School, but Lillian Murret, the aunt of the
other ("Harvey"), paid for his dental bill, where his brother, Robert, who looks
exactly like him, is not supposed to be related genetically and who could have
effortlessly impersonated him did not, even though, after the assassination, he
would give lectures and publish a book falsely blaming his brother for a crime
he did not commit, where not only Aunt Lillian but Robert, Marguerite, and
Marina all knew of the existence of both "Harvey" and "Lee", even though none
of them ever uttered a peep! Neither of these stories is "logical" in the sense
Jack intends. Yet, I submit, at least one of these stories appears to be true.
[quote name='Jack White' post='190970' date='Apr 27 2010, 03:50 AM']
[quote name='Greg Burnham' post='190907' date='Apr 26 2010, 05:30 PM']
[quote name='Barb Junkkarinen' post='190902' date='Apr 26 2010, 09:13 AM']
[snip]...
Bizarre. LHO writing in the margins of her book would establish she knew him. Just how/why you would think it would automatically establish anything beyond that ... like working in some secret Ferrie kitchen cancer bioweapon lab is nonsensical. [snip]...[/quote]
Barb,
While I agree with you that even if the above item is shown to be Oswald's writing it does not prove all of her other claims are true. However, why are you asking for this handwriting verification if its only purpose is to substantiate that which you have already conceded based on other evidence? If you have already conceded the high probability that they knew each other based on their concurrent employment at Reily's, why ask for this exercise in futility since, as you say, it won't prove anything beyond that which you already concede anyway?
[/quote]
Why must we ASSUME that LHO and JVB knew each other because they both worked at Reily's? We have only her word for it.
He was a machinery worker; she was an office worker. It is not uncommon that in a large company not every worker will know every other worker.
[/quote]