Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately
#50
Mark Stapleton Wrote:
Anthony Marsh Wrote:
Mark Stapleton Wrote:
Anthony Marsh Wrote:Did you ever read the Bible or a history book? That's where the ancient tribes of Israel ended up. Muslims invaded Jewish territory and built their monuments on the destroyed remains of Jewish monuments. The Jews were already there when the Romans conquered the entire area and kicked them out. Islam was a late-comer in 610.

So now with the insults, eh? Yes I do know a little about history. Question is do you?

As this flash map shows, there were many others who called that land their home--before and after the Jews. It is not exclusively the Jewish homeland, as some would have us believe.


http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photo...f_war.html

I never said exclusively. But even you could see when the map flashed Kingdom of Israel. Notice how large it was and how ancient. Maybe it flashed by too quickly for me to notice, but I never saw it say Kingdom of Palestine. Where exactly where was this mythical Kingdom of Palestine?
BTW, for those who think that Egypt was there first, yes because they conquered and enslaved the Jews.
"Let my people go." See, it does help to know the Bible.

That was the point of the flash map. Of course Jews have an historical link with the land now known as Israel (but more correctly occupied Palestine).

However, Jews alone do not have that historical link. Many others called that land home throughout history and that includes the Palestinians, who were there in 1948. To deny their claim, or as some goose on EF said recently, 'they were from everywhere and nowhere', is plain racist crap.

The Zionist ideology denies that historical link to anyone else except the Jews, which is why Zionism is inherently racist. They want it all for themselves and are unwilling to share it. The expansion of the settlements, being done despite opposition from Israel's enemies and friends alike, is merely ethnic cleansing by stealth.

If Zionism demands the right of return for all Jews, then a similar right must be granted to the Palestinians dispossessed by Israel's creation. Until that happens, Hamas has every right to refuse to recognise the 'Jewish state'.

As for the bible, the Zionists take the old testament literally. That's why there is so much trouble in the region.

The Jews are not God's chosen people. Until they realise that, and stop believing they have a God given right to slaughter others, there will always be trouble, especially for them.


You touched on a couple of points I made, but did not answer each point adequately.
Again, many empires ruled that territory, but you did not point out when and where there was a Kingdom of Palestine, like Israel. It just appears that the Palestinians were always ruled by various empires, like the Bedouins. That doesn't make them an independent nation historically.
Yes Zionism is inherently racist. It stems from a self-serving misreading of the Bible. God never that he gave those tribes all of the land. He said, "I give you THIS land" referring to a specific small area, not all of the Middle East. Israel has expanded it militarily. Yes God ordered the Jews to kill their neighbors, but it was always specific enemies and Zionist misinterprets that as perpetual permission to kill all non Jews. This is one of the things that Jesus was trying to change.
It's not the goals per se which makes Zionism so dangerous. It's their belief that the ends justifies the means. Fanaticism about any belief is usually what causes the trouble.
Certain Muslims have exactly the same problem from the other side. You don't have to like your neighbor to respect his rights. Hamas are fanatics about their beliefs.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Myra Bronstein - 08-06-2010, 01:22 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Myra Bronstein - 08-06-2010, 02:03 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Myra Bronstein - 08-06-2010, 05:16 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Myra Bronstein - 08-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 08-06-2010, 03:44 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 08-06-2010, 06:00 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 08-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 08-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 01:04 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 01:13 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 01:25 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 02:19 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 02:29 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 09-06-2010, 02:39 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 10-06-2010, 04:40 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 10-06-2010, 04:43 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 10-06-2010, 05:20 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Anthony Marsh - 10-06-2010, 05:54 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 11-06-2010, 12:01 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 11-06-2010, 12:13 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 12-06-2010, 01:10 AM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 12-06-2010, 12:59 PM
Helen Thomas Retires Effective Immediately - by Mark Stapleton - 13-06-2010, 12:14 AM

Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Analysis of Michael Moore's effective rhetoric from his Good Morning America interview Myra Bronstein 0 4,306 25-09-2009, 07:57 AM
Last Post: Myra Bronstein
  Analysis of Michael Moore's effective rhetoric from CNN/Wolf Blitzer interview Myra Bronstein 1 5,600 25-09-2009, 07:36 AM
Last Post: Peter Lemkin

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)