24-06-2010, 03:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 24-06-2010, 04:07 PM by Helen Reyes.)
I haven't read this entire thread and probably won't. Personally I think remote-controlled military planes flew into the WTC and that a large plane flew over the Pentagon before it was hit by a tomahawk missile.
My real question is, is the John Lear mentioned above the same John Lear who appeared on John Judge's radio program with William Cooper when the latter two were travelling the country trying to sell the idea that Greer shot Kennedy? The Lear who flew drugs and arms during Iran/Contra, the son of the Lear of Lear jet fame...
EDIT: I read through the thread anyway, minus the links. Regarding possibly missing passengers in Cleveland/PA, see Operation Northwoods documents: they provided for removal of civilian passengers I guess.
One thing that caught my attn recently was a series of photos on cryptome.org of LANDING GEAR after the first "crash" at WTC, but over at the Greek Orthodox street. A wheel was embedded in WTC "wheat chex" material, lying across a street. The surrounding streets had been partially police-taped off and were full of bits of meat, blood and garbage.
From what I gathered, it would've been very strange for the wheel and wall section to make it to that location after the first crash. And why the concentration of supposedly human remains right there? There were no more plane parts there as far as I could see from the photos.
This also makes me wonder about all the people who allegedly jumped from the building. Did anyone get to do an autopsy on the more integral corpses? If someone was faking evidence by the Greek Orthodox church, couldn't they toss corpses out of windows as well? I find it suspicious because it is so graphic, and there is the story of the one Indian (or Sri Lankan) man who saw a plane approaching, hid under his desk and ended up on the next floor down, and escaped. If he didn't jump out a window, why did others? He would've been right there in the eye of the hurricane.
My approach to 9/11 is that I don't know what physically happened, that there is a conspiracy at work and I need to keep an open mind. I agree thermate can't explain the total collapse of WTC in itself, so am open to other ideas, DEWs, nukes, suitcase-nukes, exotic new weapons technologies.
I have to agree that if the "no planes" school of thought was supposed to discredit 9/11 truth, they've failed to spring the trap so far. Lear's presence on any side of the issue is troubling, if it's the same Lear I'm thinking of, and my guess would be that the operation in play isn't to discredit 9/11 truth but to divide and conquer through internal dissent.
Mike Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com basically calls "no-planes-at-the-Pentagon" people dupes but hasn't presented any good evidence there were planes, beyond his contention that he plays flight simulators and knows the manoeuvres were completely possible, plus he believes the black box data presented. Mike Rivero routinely gets facts wrong, though; last broadcast of his radio/internet show had him talking about the BCCI scandal, which he thought happened in the 1970s.
Kenn Thomas, who has a much longer parapolitics pedigree, also thinks "no-planes-at-the-Pentagon" is a distraction, based on his survey/interviews of eye-witnesses close to the time of the event. Did any of Thomas's witnesses see the plane hit, or did they just see it barrelling low along one of the streets up the hill? I don't know.
My real question is, is the John Lear mentioned above the same John Lear who appeared on John Judge's radio program with William Cooper when the latter two were travelling the country trying to sell the idea that Greer shot Kennedy? The Lear who flew drugs and arms during Iran/Contra, the son of the Lear of Lear jet fame...
EDIT: I read through the thread anyway, minus the links. Regarding possibly missing passengers in Cleveland/PA, see Operation Northwoods documents: they provided for removal of civilian passengers I guess.
One thing that caught my attn recently was a series of photos on cryptome.org of LANDING GEAR after the first "crash" at WTC, but over at the Greek Orthodox street. A wheel was embedded in WTC "wheat chex" material, lying across a street. The surrounding streets had been partially police-taped off and were full of bits of meat, blood and garbage.
From what I gathered, it would've been very strange for the wheel and wall section to make it to that location after the first crash. And why the concentration of supposedly human remains right there? There were no more plane parts there as far as I could see from the photos.
This also makes me wonder about all the people who allegedly jumped from the building. Did anyone get to do an autopsy on the more integral corpses? If someone was faking evidence by the Greek Orthodox church, couldn't they toss corpses out of windows as well? I find it suspicious because it is so graphic, and there is the story of the one Indian (or Sri Lankan) man who saw a plane approaching, hid under his desk and ended up on the next floor down, and escaped. If he didn't jump out a window, why did others? He would've been right there in the eye of the hurricane.
My approach to 9/11 is that I don't know what physically happened, that there is a conspiracy at work and I need to keep an open mind. I agree thermate can't explain the total collapse of WTC in itself, so am open to other ideas, DEWs, nukes, suitcase-nukes, exotic new weapons technologies.
I have to agree that if the "no planes" school of thought was supposed to discredit 9/11 truth, they've failed to spring the trap so far. Lear's presence on any side of the issue is troubling, if it's the same Lear I'm thinking of, and my guess would be that the operation in play isn't to discredit 9/11 truth but to divide and conquer through internal dissent.
Mike Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com basically calls "no-planes-at-the-Pentagon" people dupes but hasn't presented any good evidence there were planes, beyond his contention that he plays flight simulators and knows the manoeuvres were completely possible, plus he believes the black box data presented. Mike Rivero routinely gets facts wrong, though; last broadcast of his radio/internet show had him talking about the BCCI scandal, which he thought happened in the 1970s.
Kenn Thomas, who has a much longer parapolitics pedigree, also thinks "no-planes-at-the-Pentagon" is a distraction, based on his survey/interviews of eye-witnesses close to the time of the event. Did any of Thomas's witnesses see the plane hit, or did they just see it barrelling low along one of the streets up the hill? I don't know.