15-11-2010, 05:53 AM
(This post was last modified: 15-11-2010, 05:56 AM by James H. Fetzer.)
Jack has done so much good work and the thread has run so long that I hope Dawson will concentrate on the arguments that have already been presented. There are, of course, many more. A 2003 article from pravda.com, http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/15...9-moon-0/# , for example, raises quite a few issues that undermine American claims to have traveled to the moon. Radiation was only one of the reasons the Soviets did not try to send a man to the moon, but there were many others.
This article provides an inventory of excellent reasons for doubting that our own astronauts made it there, which may explain why President Obama has cancelled plans for a return to the moon, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8489097.stm He was probably appalled to discover that the whole moon landing business had been a hoax that was undertaken as a PR stunt to show we were keeping up with the Soviets! Some reasons for skepticism presented there Dawson may want to address:
(1) Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers connected with docking and undocking of the Apollo carrier rocket that was separated from the module with people inside it. What is more, return back of the carrier rocket was also quite a problem. The Apollo onboard computers performed even poorer than present-day calculators.
(2) The possibility of human survival in open space was also called into question. Did a space suit made of rubber and cloth in the 1960s protect people on the Moon, the planet having no atmospheric layers and magnetic fields? Could it protect from high radiation? The temperature of 250 Fahrenheit degrees below zero would immediately kill humans in such suits. But it was reported that none of the astronauts was even affected with radiation sickness.
(3) Former NASA staffer Bill Kaysing, the author of the book "NASA Never Landed a Man on the Moon", confessed that even the Agency itself considered the possibility of man's landing on the Moon was 0.0017% at that period (which was practically nothing!). It is not ruled out that Americans did fly to the Moon, but didn't advance further than its orbit. Robots did the rest of the work.
(4) However, it is also unlikely that 382 kilograms of Moon soil could be delivered to the Earth after three expeditions (Soviet Moon research vehicles brought just 0.3 kg), because additional kilograms of burden are risky for a rocket. The rest of the Moon expedition simulation was just a political trick, shooting made in pavilions that at the same time allowed the USA to spare billions of dollars. This version resembles the movie Capricorn-1. Probably, the movie was made with a view to rehabilitate America for its big lies.
(5) When the Apollo-Moon module system was studied more carefully, it became clear that two astronauts in space suits couldn't find room in the module, not to mention the Moon robot that couldn't be placed there even non-assembled. What is more, astronauts couldn't squeeze through a narrow tunnel between the space ship and the module. In fact, an exit hatch opens inward, not outside as the legendary documentary demonstrates.
(6) The documentary was probably shot in a cargo bay of a swooping supersonic airplane to create an effect of weightlessness. It is strange but not a single star could be seen on the pictures of the Moon flight. Stars are even brighter in space than as seen from the Earth. Instead, there was blue light streaming into the illuminators of the space ship, at the time when it is known that open space is absolutely black.
(7) Apollo landing was also strange: running of the engine didn't move a single stone or a speck of dust on the Moon surface. After that, the module settled on a flat surface. Pressure of a jet engine would inevitably make a crater on the place of landing while braking. As is know, the Moon gravitation makes up 1/6 of the Earth gravitation. A cloud of dust thrown from under the Apollo wheels should have been six times higher than depicted on the photos.
(8) As for the shadows that astronauts and their apparatuses cast on the Moon, they were of different length and direction, at the time when it is known that the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon. It may also seem strange that not a single picture of the Earth as seen from the Moon was made during the expedition. Movements of the astronauts looked as if the film was slowly played. It was obvious that jumping and moving was very difficult for the astronauts, but the jumping amplitude was very small. Even school children know that a man weighing 160 kilograms on the Earth would weight only 27 kg on the Moon, which would made him jump like a grasshopper.
Some of these tend to explain why the design plans for the moon lander and the moor rover no longer exist, not to mention why NASA would have had to erase its original footage lest anyone take a close look and discern the use of front-screen projection and other problems that have been noted in the course of this thread. The explanations given -- that NASA was trying to save money by reusing old tapes and that Grumann did not have room for the designs of these incredibly expensive space vehicles -- defy belief. I take for granted that Dawson not only accepts them but will defend them.
[quote name='Duane Daman' date='14 November 2010 - 11:44 PM' timestamp='1289774690' post='211805']
Here's more evidence that the Apollo Moon Landings were faked... Colonel Philip Corso had top secret security clearance with the US military .. He claimed that NASA couldn't send humans into space, beyond the magnetosphere.
Question to NASA open e-mail. Colonel Philip Corso Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp5kyoNfRP8&feature=sub
NASA won't answer any questions about their lack of radiation shielding protection concerning their spacesuits, or their Apollo craft.. Nor will they reply to any e-mails sent by those who want to know the truth about how they allegedly sent 24 humans to the Moon and back over 40 years ago, when that can't even be technically accomplished today.
The Chinese promised to send humans to the Moon by 2020 but have had to put their manned lunar missions on hold because of their inability to protect their taikonauts against deep space radiation.. They have even gone so far as to admit that they don't know how the Americans protected their astronauts against radiation in the 1960's and 70's, during the Apollo Program.
If you combine this evidence with the obviously staged Apollo photography, it leaves little doubt that Apollo was the scam of the century.
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This article provides an inventory of excellent reasons for doubting that our own astronauts made it there, which may explain why President Obama has cancelled plans for a return to the moon, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8489097.stm He was probably appalled to discover that the whole moon landing business had been a hoax that was undertaken as a PR stunt to show we were keeping up with the Soviets! Some reasons for skepticism presented there Dawson may want to address:
(1) Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers connected with docking and undocking of the Apollo carrier rocket that was separated from the module with people inside it. What is more, return back of the carrier rocket was also quite a problem. The Apollo onboard computers performed even poorer than present-day calculators.
(2) The possibility of human survival in open space was also called into question. Did a space suit made of rubber and cloth in the 1960s protect people on the Moon, the planet having no atmospheric layers and magnetic fields? Could it protect from high radiation? The temperature of 250 Fahrenheit degrees below zero would immediately kill humans in such suits. But it was reported that none of the astronauts was even affected with radiation sickness.
(3) Former NASA staffer Bill Kaysing, the author of the book "NASA Never Landed a Man on the Moon", confessed that even the Agency itself considered the possibility of man's landing on the Moon was 0.0017% at that period (which was practically nothing!). It is not ruled out that Americans did fly to the Moon, but didn't advance further than its orbit. Robots did the rest of the work.
(4) However, it is also unlikely that 382 kilograms of Moon soil could be delivered to the Earth after three expeditions (Soviet Moon research vehicles brought just 0.3 kg), because additional kilograms of burden are risky for a rocket. The rest of the Moon expedition simulation was just a political trick, shooting made in pavilions that at the same time allowed the USA to spare billions of dollars. This version resembles the movie Capricorn-1. Probably, the movie was made with a view to rehabilitate America for its big lies.
(5) When the Apollo-Moon module system was studied more carefully, it became clear that two astronauts in space suits couldn't find room in the module, not to mention the Moon robot that couldn't be placed there even non-assembled. What is more, astronauts couldn't squeeze through a narrow tunnel between the space ship and the module. In fact, an exit hatch opens inward, not outside as the legendary documentary demonstrates.
(6) The documentary was probably shot in a cargo bay of a swooping supersonic airplane to create an effect of weightlessness. It is strange but not a single star could be seen on the pictures of the Moon flight. Stars are even brighter in space than as seen from the Earth. Instead, there was blue light streaming into the illuminators of the space ship, at the time when it is known that open space is absolutely black.
(7) Apollo landing was also strange: running of the engine didn't move a single stone or a speck of dust on the Moon surface. After that, the module settled on a flat surface. Pressure of a jet engine would inevitably make a crater on the place of landing while braking. As is know, the Moon gravitation makes up 1/6 of the Earth gravitation. A cloud of dust thrown from under the Apollo wheels should have been six times higher than depicted on the photos.
(8) As for the shadows that astronauts and their apparatuses cast on the Moon, they were of different length and direction, at the time when it is known that the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon. It may also seem strange that not a single picture of the Earth as seen from the Moon was made during the expedition. Movements of the astronauts looked as if the film was slowly played. It was obvious that jumping and moving was very difficult for the astronauts, but the jumping amplitude was very small. Even school children know that a man weighing 160 kilograms on the Earth would weight only 27 kg on the Moon, which would made him jump like a grasshopper.
Some of these tend to explain why the design plans for the moon lander and the moor rover no longer exist, not to mention why NASA would have had to erase its original footage lest anyone take a close look and discern the use of front-screen projection and other problems that have been noted in the course of this thread. The explanations given -- that NASA was trying to save money by reusing old tapes and that Grumann did not have room for the designs of these incredibly expensive space vehicles -- defy belief. I take for granted that Dawson not only accepts them but will defend them.
[quote name='Duane Daman' date='14 November 2010 - 11:44 PM' timestamp='1289774690' post='211805']
Here's more evidence that the Apollo Moon Landings were faked... Colonel Philip Corso had top secret security clearance with the US military .. He claimed that NASA couldn't send humans into space, beyond the magnetosphere.
Question to NASA open e-mail. Colonel Philip Corso Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp5kyoNfRP8&feature=sub
NASA won't answer any questions about their lack of radiation shielding protection concerning their spacesuits, or their Apollo craft.. Nor will they reply to any e-mails sent by those who want to know the truth about how they allegedly sent 24 humans to the Moon and back over 40 years ago, when that can't even be technically accomplished today.
The Chinese promised to send humans to the Moon by 2020 but have had to put their manned lunar missions on hold because of their inability to protect their taikonauts against deep space radiation.. They have even gone so far as to admit that they don't know how the Americans protected their astronauts against radiation in the 1960's and 70's, during the Apollo Program.
If you combine this evidence with the obviously staged Apollo photography, it leaves little doubt that Apollo was the scam of the century.
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Peter Dawson Wrote:Jack White Wrote:Please cite specific evidence which causes you doubt. ALL of my
studies are at
http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm
Please cite studies you find incorrect. Jim and I will refute them
if they are supported by evidence, or admit we are wrong if you
submit contrary PROOF.
We disagree that the moon hoax is insignificant. NASA, which
was complicit in the hoax, still exists and still is spending millions
on secret projects.
To digress...please tell me the purpose of space shuttle orbit
missions. Please tell me what the purpose of the international
space subject is. Please tell me why six identical Apollo missions
were "sent to the moon" to do and redo and redo and redo the
exact same operations.
Jack
Start here, Jack.