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The "Other" Zapruder Film
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Bernice Moore Wrote:i finally dug it up and milicent cranor saw the other film, on the premises of NBC in NYC...

in the following Rich speaks for himself, as he always did in his replies to some questions...often asked...

The "other" film -- FAQs
Post by: admin on March 15, 2009, 06:51 AM
Since I appeared recently on Len Osanic's "Black Op" radio
program, I have been receiving several questions, I'll try and
answer them here:

1. Where can this film be viewed?

I really don't know. I believe that copies exist in various places around the world.
However I have no knowledge where it can be viewed. I never at any time possessed
a copy myself. When I saw it, the film was shown by a person unknown to me along
with some others in a suburb of Washington DC (College Park, MD).

2. Do you believe it is an unedited version of the Zapruder Film?

Personally, I do not believe the film is in any way a version of the Zapruder
film. The Z film appears amateurish to me and unrealistic in the sense that it
seems like an animated "cartoon". The "other" film seemed to be professionally
done with great color rendition and smooth panning. Additionally, I am unsure as
to whether Zapruder shot the film attributed to him. A French photo journalist
who saw the film on several occasions does refer to it as an unedited version
of the Z film FWIW.

3. What are the major discrepancies in what is seen on both films?

The "other" film shows the limo on Houston Street as it turns onto Elm.
The Z film does not even though Z testified that he began filming when
the limo first came into view and did not stop filming until the limo left
the Plaza,

The 'other" film shows the limo making a wide turn onto Elm, nearly going
up on the curb and as though it first was headed to the service road in front
of the TSBD. Greer apparently struggled to navigate into the center of Elm.

The crowd appeared quite animated as the limo progressed down Elm St.
In the Z film, the crowd appears frozen.

In the "other" film, the Umbrella man is seem pumping the umbrella up and down,
not just holding it over his head. I've concluded that he may have been signaling
the various shooters to open fire -- that JFK was still alive. In the Z film the open
umbrella seems stationary except that a slight rotation can be detected.

The dark complected man with the cap alternately nicknamed TA (The Accomplice)
and The Cuban is seen in the "other" film motioning with an upraised arm while
he stepped into the street and was approaching the limo. He formed his up-raised
hand into a fist -- perhaps the infantryman's signal to "stop." I have concluded
that he was trying to attract Greer and Kellerman to stop the limo exactly at
his position -- which they did. the Limo was stopped ~2 to 3 seconds. The Z
film shows no stop.

The stop was so sudden that it jostled the occupants forward. A portion of this
forward motion can be detected in the extant Z film.

With the limo stopped, Greer turned to face JFK. At that moment JFK received
2 shots to the head: one from the rear causing his head to move forward slightly
and one to the right temple, fired from the front, resulting in a violent explosion
out the rear of JFK's head and sending a huge spray of blood and brain matter
toward DPD Officer Hargis hitting his helmet with what William Manchester
termed a "red sheet" and with such force that Hargis later said he thought he
himself was hit. This most gory explosion of matter is not accurately
portrayed in the extant Z Film.

Apparently once that Greer saw that JFK was hit, he then swung around and
accelerated the limo leaving Dealey Plaza and passing the lead car to entrance
the Stemmons freeway.

4. If the Zapruder film is altered, why did "they" leave in the explosive
head shot?


The first thing to keep in mind is that "they" never believed the Z film would
be viewed by the public. Members of the WC stated that they believed only
a few college professors would even read their report. With Time, Inc. and
the FBI controlling access to the Z film they could control who could view it
or even selected frames from it. If questioned, they could always say it was
being withheld due to concern over the Kennedy family's right to privacy.

In 1975, the extant Z film was shown on national TV on Geraldo Rivera's
"Goodnight America" program by Robert Groden. That segment
can be found on MPI's DVD Image Of An Assassination." The public
was shocked to see the head shot. To many, the Z film was proof of a
second gunman, one firing from the front. To counter those beliefs a
Nobel winning physicist (Luis Alvarez) concocted a "jet effect" theory to
explain how a shot from the TSBD could cause the violent "back and to the
left" reaction defying Newton's 2nd law of motion. Newton's second law of
motion can be formally stated as follows:

The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional
to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and
inversely proportional to the mass of the object.
(http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PH...u2l3a.html).

The alterationists IMO HAD to leave in the fatal head shot. They couldn't
very well claim that JFK was a victim of whiplash. At the necessary time
Dr Alvarez was dragged out to produce a total canard.

5. Why was the Zapruder film fabricated/altered?

IMO, and simply stated, the purposes of altering the Z film, in order of
priority, were:
  • To remove all evidence of multiple shooters
  • To remove evidence of shots from any direction but the rear if possible
  • To remove evidence of Secret Service complicity
6. On 11/23, Dan Rather claimed to have viewed the Z film, the first
reporter to do so. He claimed that JFK's head was throw violently
forward not backward. How can that be?


IMO, he may have been shown an early attempt of an altered film in which
the frames were reversed. But it is possible that he saw NO film at all --
and he was instructed what to say. Keep in mind that on 11/22, Rather was
simply a TV reporter for the local Dallas CBS affiliate -- but virtually overnight
he was promoted to CBS's official White House Correspondent. Quid pro quo??

7. Will the "other" film ever become accessible to the public?

I truly doubt it. It is a dangerous property because that one film proves that
JFK was murdered as a part of a well planned and executed conspiracy. It
lays the WCR bare as an intentionally written pack of lies and proves the
complicity of the Secret Service, the FBI, and the highest levels of the
U.S government.

I have known of ~ a half dozen people who have seen the film in the distant,
past -- yet no two ever saw it in the same place at the same time. I truly
wish that someone would come forward and report a more recent viewing.
I truly do.

Ah, makes me miss Rich. I don't know what years he saw it, but I know I contacted him privately and told him that I know someone who wishes to remain nameless in this regard who saw it not too many years ago and their report to me contained the same basic features that Rich mentions.

Its always been a fantasy of mine that when a new President is inaugurated, some group of spooks [official ones, with high clearances and big salaries and positions] sit the new Prez down and show him this film in the dark. Then the lights come on and they ask, "Any questions Mr. President?" In my mind the new Presidents never ask anything or mention it ever again. However, after the viewing any remaining autonomy they might have thought they had is then in the negative range of numbers, if not into imaginary numbers......
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The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Gil Jesus - 03-10-2010, 10:08 PM
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The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Peter Lemkin - 04-10-2010, 05:24 AM
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The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Charles Drago - 05-10-2010, 05:13 PM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Frank Nelson - 10-10-2010, 05:36 PM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Bernice Moore - 23-10-2010, 11:19 PM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Bernice Moore - 23-10-2010, 11:57 PM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Bernice Moore - 24-10-2010, 12:04 AM
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The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Bernice Moore - 24-10-2010, 05:12 AM
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The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Frank Nelson - 26-10-2010, 01:51 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Steve Duffy - 26-10-2010, 03:46 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Charles Drago - 26-10-2010, 05:50 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Frank Nelson - 26-10-2010, 09:43 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Bernice Moore - 13-11-2010, 07:47 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Magda Hassan - 13-11-2010, 08:29 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Ed Jewett - 13-11-2010, 09:26 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Steve Duffy - 13-11-2010, 10:01 AM
The "Other" Zapruder Film - by Ed Jewett - 13-11-2010, 08:58 PM
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