06-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Paul - is it your judgement that anything published by The Guardian on police or intelligence undercover assets must have come directly, or indirectly, from MI6?
Except that the deep British state considered Northern Ireland as part of Britain which is why both MI5 and MI6 stirred the pot relentlessly (as well as Military Intelligence, Special Branch and myriad others).
Sure - you can always plead for more time, and the undercover cops may end up reporting elsewhere in time.
However, the simple point is that ACPO plc's undercover cops are now Met Special Branch's undercover cops. These assets, and their territory, has not been surrendered back to MI6.
See above. The undercover assets are still Police assets, not MI6 assets.
I also don't see anything particularly extraordinary about lawyers and defendants in a criminal case against environmental protestors choosing to spill the beans to The Guardian when the criminal charges were dropped because the CPS star witness was revealed as a police agent provocateur.
Other members of protest movements - from Ireland to Iceland to Greece - then also recognized Stone/Kennedy, for his incitement and alleged provision of material support (courtesy of the UK taxpayer) to anti-fascists, anarchists and environmentalists across Europe.
Similarly, other protestors identified and exposed around a dozen other police undercover assets active during the past decade.
The Guardian had the access. The Guardian ran the story.
Prima facie this is all very damaging to the official narrative of brave undercover assets risking ther lives to penetrate terrorist cells who threaten British national security.
Now, there may have been attempts by the British deep state to limit the fallout. I would place the Daily Mail piece in this category: Stone/Kennedy was paid an alleged six figure sum to disappear, and a sympathetic to the state slant was put on his deeds.
Rather than obsessing about why MI6 is running this story through The Guardian, I'm more exercised by the fact that other broadsheet newspapers haven't been challenging the police and the government, and asking why undercover assets are acting as agent provocateurs attempting to discredit legitimate protests across Britian and Europe.
Yes, we have been here before.
Yes, MSM Security Correspondent is a synonym for Spook.
However, most incidents of agent provocateur or false flag activity by British, American or European nation states are dismissed by governments and MSM as "historical anachronisms", and not the type of activity which would be undertaken now.
That is the official version. That official version is now blown apart by the facts of Stone/Kennedy and the other police undercover assets during the past decade.
I fear these police agent provocateur actions will be quickly forgotten, or swept under the carpet by MSM. But my point still stands.
Paul Rigby Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:There may be something in this - but I doubt that a German anti-fascist group is sponsored "by offshoots of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation".
It's not much of leap from Rowntree serving as an MI6 money conduit for projects in NI to MI6 funding for groups of interest on mainland Europe:
Quote:[/Appendix 4: the Conflict Between MI5 and MI6 in Northern Ireland
[Lobster #11 (Apr 1986)]
... Special Branch officer. A bomb attempt on Enoch Powell MP by the security forces. The Miami Showband killings by Protestants linked to the security forces. The smearing of the Joseph Rowntree Trust which was the conduit for money from MI6 to the political organisations it supported in Northern Ireland. 'The Ulster Citizens' Army'- a 'black' operation ... set up by Wallace and Information Policy. The assassination of Catholics in 1975 by Protestant groups linked to the security forces. The increased killings were designed to break the Provisional IRA truce arranged with the help of MI6. Last| Contents| Next ...
Terms matched: 2 - Score: 79 - 01 Apr 1986 - URL: http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/online....htmquote]
Except that the deep British state considered Northern Ireland as part of Britain which is why both MI5 and MI6 stirred the pot relentlessly (as well as Military Intelligence, Special Branch and myriad others).
Paul Rigby Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Meanwhile, ACPO plc's professional "infiltrators" (undercover assets) are being transferred to line management by the Metropolitan Police Special Branch. No meaningful change there then.
So far. But this story hasn't yet run its course.
Sure - you can always plead for more time, and the undercover cops may end up reporting elsewhere in time.
However, the simple point is that ACPO plc's undercover cops are now Met Special Branch's undercover cops. These assets, and their territory, has not been surrendered back to MI6.
Paul Rigby Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:And the Daily Mail printed a sympathetic puff piece cum exclusive interview (for which Kennedy/Stone was allegedly paid a lot of money). It can be seen - deconstructed - earlier in this thead.
It is natural, if arguably naive, that members of protest movements would tell their stories to The Guardian. And as a result, Guardian hacks have the best first hand accounts of Kennedy/Stone and other agents provocateurs. Access to first hand testimony enables a newspaper to lead coverage of a story.
This is how newspapers and MSM work. No conspiracy there.
Well, it's certainly a useful, if thin, cover, but it hardly detracts from the deep political agenda: MI6 curtails activities of turf rival. Moreover, The Grauniad has such deep ties to MI6 - consider the roles of a number of MI6-Grauniad correspondents during the engineered revolution in Russia in 1917 - it would pretty extraordinary for this affair to be coincidental/spontaneous.
See above. The undercover assets are still Police assets, not MI6 assets.
I also don't see anything particularly extraordinary about lawyers and defendants in a criminal case against environmental protestors choosing to spill the beans to The Guardian when the criminal charges were dropped because the CPS star witness was revealed as a police agent provocateur.
Other members of protest movements - from Ireland to Iceland to Greece - then also recognized Stone/Kennedy, for his incitement and alleged provision of material support (courtesy of the UK taxpayer) to anti-fascists, anarchists and environmentalists across Europe.
Similarly, other protestors identified and exposed around a dozen other police undercover assets active during the past decade.
The Guardian had the access. The Guardian ran the story.
Prima facie this is all very damaging to the official narrative of brave undercover assets risking ther lives to penetrate terrorist cells who threaten British national security.
Now, there may have been attempts by the British deep state to limit the fallout. I would place the Daily Mail piece in this category: Stone/Kennedy was paid an alleged six figure sum to disappear, and a sympathetic to the state slant was put on his deeds.
Rather than obsessing about why MI6 is running this story through The Guardian, I'm more exercised by the fact that other broadsheet newspapers haven't been challenging the police and the government, and asking why undercover assets are acting as agent provocateurs attempting to discredit legitimate protests across Britian and Europe.
Paul Rigby Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:My judgement remains that this is a very embarrassing story for the British deep state because it establishes, unequivocally, for the public domain record, that dozens of undercover assets have been "infiltrated" into protest groups during the past decade, and that these undercover assets have both incited, and provided material support, to criminal actions.
But we've been here many times before: Police infiltration of, for instance, anti-Vietnam war movements was notorious, and available to any media org that wanted to explore the story. There is also the small matter of who, within the higher media, is going to raise the point - Frank "Spooky" Gardner? Gordon Careerist?
Yes, we have been here before.
Yes, MSM Security Correspondent is a synonym for Spook.
However, most incidents of agent provocateur or false flag activity by British, American or European nation states are dismissed by governments and MSM as "historical anachronisms", and not the type of activity which would be undertaken now.
That is the official version. That official version is now blown apart by the facts of Stone/Kennedy and the other police undercover assets during the past decade.
Paul Rigby Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:The next time a spooky correspondent turns up on the BBC or Sky, and claims "this not the kind of thing our chaps would get up to nowadays", their utterances will be demonstrably false.
I wish your point were true: History suggests nothing of the sort will happen.
I fear these police agent provocateur actions will be quickly forgotten, or swept under the carpet by MSM. But my point still stands.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war