17-02-2011, 12:26 PM
I am not implying anything. I am stating that I take with a grain of salt the words of people who have worked in these agencies for years and then see the "error of their ways." Sibel Edmonds was in there a short time so perhaps she WAS naive, but she is very intelligent and seemed to think that the FBI does have a legitimate spying / surveillance function. It's the attitude that there are a lot of nasties out there and we MUST fight them with anything we can muster... and I mean anything.
These agencies went from "information gathering" to covert operations... perhaps with the excuse of expediency and efficiency in obtaining results for the state. And it was the state perhaps which clearly was now function first and foremost for the elite - those whose motivation was wealth, hegemony and control. So "owning" the military and placing their stooges inside the powerful "alphabets" was a win win situation. Most stooges "got off" on being outside the law and of course made lots of money for their "service"... not to country, but to corporation really. Men like John Portman, or Wendell Potter emerged from within the corporate inner circles to reveal how the work and in the case of Portman how they are directly linked to the military and the CIA.
I'm hoping for a Tahrir Square with a success outcome spreading around the world and finally to the western "hypocracies".. I mean democracies. Let's see what happens in Wisconsin where the locals are getting restless and hopefully part of it was inspired by Tahrir.
Perhaps the idea of democracy is naive because there will always be nasties who want more power, wealth and control. They've managed to fool most of the people in the West, distract them, keep them dumbed down and for the most part acting like slaves... with hope and dreams of some sort of decent life. But as many are realizing that it is not happening the days of reckoning are drawing near. And it won't be supposed underwear bomber types from the ME to worry about in the USA, but her people when they wake up and crush the alphabets and the national security state.
Despite the fact that the internet is full of poseurs such a we've seen in other threads, there is a kind of democratic power and organizing potential which is required to create a movement of, for and by the people.
These agencies went from "information gathering" to covert operations... perhaps with the excuse of expediency and efficiency in obtaining results for the state. And it was the state perhaps which clearly was now function first and foremost for the elite - those whose motivation was wealth, hegemony and control. So "owning" the military and placing their stooges inside the powerful "alphabets" was a win win situation. Most stooges "got off" on being outside the law and of course made lots of money for their "service"... not to country, but to corporation really. Men like John Portman, or Wendell Potter emerged from within the corporate inner circles to reveal how the work and in the case of Portman how they are directly linked to the military and the CIA.
I'm hoping for a Tahrir Square with a success outcome spreading around the world and finally to the western "hypocracies".. I mean democracies. Let's see what happens in Wisconsin where the locals are getting restless and hopefully part of it was inspired by Tahrir.
Perhaps the idea of democracy is naive because there will always be nasties who want more power, wealth and control. They've managed to fool most of the people in the West, distract them, keep them dumbed down and for the most part acting like slaves... with hope and dreams of some sort of decent life. But as many are realizing that it is not happening the days of reckoning are drawing near. And it won't be supposed underwear bomber types from the ME to worry about in the USA, but her people when they wake up and crush the alphabets and the national security state.
Despite the fact that the internet is full of poseurs such a we've seen in other threads, there is a kind of democratic power and organizing potential which is required to create a movement of, for and by the people.