23-02-2011, 06:11 PM
Charles Drago Wrote:In re the John XXXV/John XX111 comparison: Wishful thinking, pleasant dream. And please don't demean JFK's 6/10/63 "and we are all mortal" speech by favorably comparing it to his earlier Cold War rhetoric being disected on this thread.
I think Douglass does a good job of showing Kennedy had reservations about CIA going back to his early presidency. They sprung the Bay Of Pigs set-up on him early on in his presidency and he resisted it. I suggest his actions speak what he was thinking about CIA at the time.
What fascinates me about Douglass's coverage of Kennedy's link to peace negotiations is how the Pope was directly influential. I think this is highly ironic since Kennedy was put through the mill over whether he would separate the papacy from his actions as president. As it turns out the Pope ended up being instrumental in keeping the world from being incinerated by the very people who were making sure his influence was removed. The same people who didn't question the generals who were going to blow-up the planet.
Charles Drago Wrote:By the way, you don't have to sell me on either the spiritual content and power of the American University speech or its status as a death warrant.
The more you read the more you learn there was a developing corollary that accumulated as it progressed. What is fascinating is trying to assemble this jigsaw puzzle as each event, like the move against JM/WAVE in March 1963, and other events like CIA finding out JFK was secretly talking to Khrushchev (something we have no record of), progressed and created a whole new series of reactions that eventually led to the assassination.
Somewhere amongst this rolling series of events a collective resentment built up that ended up setting off a decision somewhere that directly led to the formation and planning of the assassination plot. Somewhere there was a shadow group of men with enough covert power to carry out an assassination and be able to get away with it because of their ability to control enough of the valid government to keep anyone from exposing or prosecuting them. It would be interesting to know who exactly that was and which series of acts against their perceived interests triggered it? I have no doubt these people perceived Kennedy had bent the rules against the trust placed in him and that they were simply returning the favor. These people could justify it by accessing already existing rules of "plausible deniability" already justified by their 'patriotic' intentions.
Charles Drago Wrote:Albert, by this time I think you've come to know how much I value your participation here at DPF. But in this instance you're self-contradictory. The plotters at all cost would have avoided correlation between NSAM perfidy and the assassination.
I'm trying to show a final fall-back level of diabolical framing possibly existed that is evidenced in other parts of the conspiracy. Oswald's pre-knowledge of Eusebio Azcue's transfer from the Cuban consulate was either gotten by CIA wiretaps or a double agent like Silvia Duran. In my mind what this tells you is Oswald is being set-up as having an ear on internal communist doings.
No, just the opposite. You're missing the point Charles. The "NSAM perfidy" you say would have been construed as a real and intended act by Kennedy that Bundy confirmed as being approved by the president. The deep plotters would have claimed that Oswald, or the people controlling him, had covert knowledge of Kennedy's "betrayal" of Khrushchev by reversing his neutralization promise on Viet Nam. What I'm trying to tell you is - just like with Ruby's tight-timing at the Western Union - the tight-timing of the NSAM alteration was meant to imply a direct relationship between it and the assassination. The suggestion being that Kennedy was killed by KGB because he betrayed his ongoing secret negotiations with Khrushchev by reversing on Viet Nam. The reward CIA would get for this would be the intense prosecution of the Viet Nam War in order to fulfill and revenge the final wishes of the assassinated president as indicated in NSAM 273. A final wish he ended up giving his life for according to the intended deception.
The timing of the NSAM swap is so close to the assassination that it necessarily gets drawn in to the actual mechanics of the assassination event itself. The NSAM swap is a moving part that was a direct member of the actual killing machinery on the day of the assassination, with other moving parts kept hidden in the shadows in order to blame Oswald as acting on behalf of the Soviets in reaction to this device. In my opinion you are seeing the fur grain of a very shadowy light-footed CIA cat showing up here.
Not "self-contradictory" at all...
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