11-06-2011, 09:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-06-2012, 12:23 PM by Seamus Coogan.)
My technique from taking notes from woeful stuff is to start at the back, check references and so fourth. But hark! When there's no references (or at least when there's another two hundred pages of unsourced dialogue after) you just simply reverse engineer.
Like I've said. Be very careful when a CTKA researcher takes interest in something like this. The bane of being a researcher in this regard is critical review. It can make enemies of people you otherwise admire (and vice versa). I must confess to having a certain 'sanguinary' nature about critiques. The reality is however I actually do enjoy giving out praise and plaudits more than turning someones argument into pulp.
But now that Michael Collins Piper strolls into view, I guess taking down this guy was inevitable.
Piper isn't the worst I've ever come across. He hasn't been as factually challenged in certain areas as others have and he does have some okay snippets that take him above say Farrell, Hankey and and say a Lamar Waldron. He also touches on some interesting areas of US-Israeli relations. I wouldn't call Piper 'anti-Semitic' but foolish yes. However, he spoils it all by driving for an Israeli thesis that ignores wider meaning in the readings he utilises and thus he is dishonest. His book as said before is very poorly organised and a good portion is also unsourced. Now there's a lot of crud. But wow. These pearls really stuck out!
The Third World in New Zealand
Phew Piper knows his geography and anthropology. Let's check out this one from Page 523!
In the aftermath I received wonderful letters from people as far away as Malta, Ghana, Guyana and New Zealand who were, it seems, profoundly surprised to learn there are a few Americans unafraid to raise questions about the U.S. relationship with Israel. I amgrateful to those people from the so-called "Third World" who took the time to write and am thankful that there are a few places where freedom of speech (when it comes to the subject of Israeli intrigue) still exists.
Okay things are pretty bad down here and might be tough in Malta but neither place is quite in the 3rd World catgory as Ghana or Guyana I'm afraid. Talk about 3rd rate research.
Sheesh this note taking lark is a jaunt isn't it?
The Trade Mart Caper in full 'Bloom'
Let's now jump forward in time shall we? To the start of the book! Oh boy this is a goody and once again we see Mr Piper's extraordinary talent (or lack there of) for any form of lay out and geography.
Sam Bloom the resident Jew in Kennedys detail, insisted on the Trade Mart so it would have to go through Dealey Plaza? What the hay? Again Pipers logic is remiss. Bloom was in charge of the 'Advance Man' what a joke. John Connally was actually one of the people involved here in these discussions. Not Bloom in any account bar Pipers (which is unreferenced as per usual) and even Connally thought the Trade Mart was an unsafe venue.
It's a little known fact that Connally, who encouraged Jackie to come along, was not keen on the idea of the president coming to Dallas. Why? Because Kennedy divided Connally's centrist conservative constituency which represented the accumulated wealth of Texas. Thus rather than enthusiastically organise rallies and functions, Connally dithered and seems to have done all he could to get the trip over and done with as quickly as possible. (Jim Reston, The Lone Star: The Life of John Connally pgs. 240-260)
Connally opposed a parade route. The parade route was specifically organised by Secret Service men Winston Lawson and Forrest Sorrels, who overrode the Dallas authorities they were supposed to plan it with. Connally loudly voiced security concerns about the final venue's size, referring to the Trade Mart's balcony and 53 entrances. He was also uninformed of the actual parade route (WCR pgs 27-30; Vince Palamara: Survivors Guilt pgs 2-9)
Tony Frank a guy who takes no BS. Taking his cues from Palamara and his solid brain writes this.
"Other than the assassination plans being disturbed, it would not have disturbed anything for the Secret Service if the City of Dallas had done something with the curbing and followed the Dallas Host Committee's route. There is no legitimate reason why the Secret Service would not want the motorcade to continue down Main and then get onto the Stemmons Freeway.
It cannot be overstated that the Dallas Host Committee for the Presidential visit wanted to go straight down Main Street to access the Stemmons Freeway, while the Secret Service wanted to take the route on which the President would be killed. It was obviously "Secret Service" agents who told Chief Curry that they did not want the curbing removed. The Host Committee consisted of: Robert Cullum, President of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce; Sam Bloom of the Sam Bloom Agency, a public relations firm in Dallas; and Felix McKnight, Editor of the Dallas Times Herald. They most certainly knew of the curb issue when they chose to go straight down Main to access the Stemmons Freeway. The Host Committee wanted something done with the curbing."
Sooo Bloom was dead set on it going past the TSBD was he? A Key man was he Mr Piper?
Well we've just seen the folly of that haven't we?
Jim DiEugenio a 'responsible researcher'
Kenn Thomas did this in his ode to the Torbitt document. In fact it's a common trick amongst researchers of a lesser God to utilise the name of a well respected person and fleece it as if that person would condone their work. JF has done this with Jim Douglas, Farrell and Hankey have done this with Fletcher Prouty and now Piper does this with Jim.
Like I've said. Be very careful when a CTKA researcher takes interest in something like this. The bane of being a researcher in this regard is critical review. It can make enemies of people you otherwise admire (and vice versa). I must confess to having a certain 'sanguinary' nature about critiques. The reality is however I actually do enjoy giving out praise and plaudits more than turning someones argument into pulp.
But now that Michael Collins Piper strolls into view, I guess taking down this guy was inevitable.
Piper isn't the worst I've ever come across. He hasn't been as factually challenged in certain areas as others have and he does have some okay snippets that take him above say Farrell, Hankey and and say a Lamar Waldron. He also touches on some interesting areas of US-Israeli relations. I wouldn't call Piper 'anti-Semitic' but foolish yes. However, he spoils it all by driving for an Israeli thesis that ignores wider meaning in the readings he utilises and thus he is dishonest. His book as said before is very poorly organised and a good portion is also unsourced. Now there's a lot of crud. But wow. These pearls really stuck out!
The Third World in New Zealand
Phew Piper knows his geography and anthropology. Let's check out this one from Page 523!
In the aftermath I received wonderful letters from people as far away as Malta, Ghana, Guyana and New Zealand who were, it seems, profoundly surprised to learn there are a few Americans unafraid to raise questions about the U.S. relationship with Israel. I amgrateful to those people from the so-called "Third World" who took the time to write and am thankful that there are a few places where freedom of speech (when it comes to the subject of Israeli intrigue) still exists.
Okay things are pretty bad down here and might be tough in Malta but neither place is quite in the 3rd World catgory as Ghana or Guyana I'm afraid. Talk about 3rd rate research.
Sheesh this note taking lark is a jaunt isn't it?
The Trade Mart Caper in full 'Bloom'
Let's now jump forward in time shall we? To the start of the book! Oh boy this is a goody and once again we see Mr Piper's extraordinary talent (or lack there of) for any form of lay out and geography.
By forcing JFK to speak at the Trade Mart, the Dallas elite positioned the JFK motorcade to take the now-infamous "dog-leg" turn into what was a classically sniper- friendly "kill zone" on Elm Street just below the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD), from where it later was claimed the alleged assassin, TSBD employee Lee Harvey Oswald, fired the fatal shots. The spot was also in easy range of the "grassy knoll" and the nearby Dal-Tex Building, where assassination researchers believe snipers were located. Had JFK's advance man prevailedas he usually didJFK (on his way to the preferred location) would have traveled two blocks farther away from the TSBDout of the kill zoneat a greater speed.
Sam Bloom the resident Jew in Kennedys detail, insisted on the Trade Mart so it would have to go through Dealey Plaza? What the hay? Again Pipers logic is remiss. Bloom was in charge of the 'Advance Man' what a joke. John Connally was actually one of the people involved here in these discussions. Not Bloom in any account bar Pipers (which is unreferenced as per usual) and even Connally thought the Trade Mart was an unsafe venue.
It's a little known fact that Connally, who encouraged Jackie to come along, was not keen on the idea of the president coming to Dallas. Why? Because Kennedy divided Connally's centrist conservative constituency which represented the accumulated wealth of Texas. Thus rather than enthusiastically organise rallies and functions, Connally dithered and seems to have done all he could to get the trip over and done with as quickly as possible. (Jim Reston, The Lone Star: The Life of John Connally pgs. 240-260)
Connally opposed a parade route. The parade route was specifically organised by Secret Service men Winston Lawson and Forrest Sorrels, who overrode the Dallas authorities they were supposed to plan it with. Connally loudly voiced security concerns about the final venue's size, referring to the Trade Mart's balcony and 53 entrances. He was also uninformed of the actual parade route (WCR pgs 27-30; Vince Palamara: Survivors Guilt pgs 2-9)
Tony Frank a guy who takes no BS. Taking his cues from Palamara and his solid brain writes this.
"Other than the assassination plans being disturbed, it would not have disturbed anything for the Secret Service if the City of Dallas had done something with the curbing and followed the Dallas Host Committee's route. There is no legitimate reason why the Secret Service would not want the motorcade to continue down Main and then get onto the Stemmons Freeway.
It cannot be overstated that the Dallas Host Committee for the Presidential visit wanted to go straight down Main Street to access the Stemmons Freeway, while the Secret Service wanted to take the route on which the President would be killed. It was obviously "Secret Service" agents who told Chief Curry that they did not want the curbing removed. The Host Committee consisted of: Robert Cullum, President of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce; Sam Bloom of the Sam Bloom Agency, a public relations firm in Dallas; and Felix McKnight, Editor of the Dallas Times Herald. They most certainly knew of the curb issue when they chose to go straight down Main to access the Stemmons Freeway. The Host Committee wanted something done with the curbing."
Sooo Bloom was dead set on it going past the TSBD was he? A Key man was he Mr Piper?
Well we've just seen the folly of that haven't we?
Jim DiEugenio a 'responsible researcher'
Kenn Thomas did this in his ode to the Torbitt document. In fact it's a common trick amongst researchers of a lesser God to utilise the name of a well respected person and fleece it as if that person would condone their work. JF has done this with Jim Douglas, Farrell and Hankey have done this with Fletcher Prouty and now Piper does this with Jim.
Page 663-[567 of the online version].
"I don't always agree with the interpretations of the LaRouche organization, but their research is always worth examining on a wide variety of matters. I will point out that several other JFK researchers have relied upon LaRouche writings as part of their own research: Jim Marrs cites the LaRouche efforts inCrossfire, James DiEugenio cites [size=12]them in Destin[size=12]y[/SIZE][/SIZE]Betrayed and even Oliver Stone himself in his published script of the filmJFK (including commentary and annotation) cites the LaRoucheorganization for some of the material relating to Permindex. So if anyone wants to score me for using LaRouche material as a source, they better be prepared to do the same regarding these other "responsible" researchers."
Now the inference here is that Jim is a 'responsible researcher' why is he responsible? Well I don't know. He certainly doesnt endorse or entertain any of Pipers theories concerning Israel and the assassination. Nor did Marrs in Crossfire. Thus, when Piper attacks people for disliking his thesis yet includes DiEugenio I am very suspicious. Is he trying to link both Jim's in with his ideas? When considering how responsible Jim has been in 'not' going along with the aforementioned 'Israel did it' gunk and how irresponsible Piper is for going with it. Pipers the last guy I'd ever want endorsing my stuff. Jim uses LaRouche on one page in a footnote this is to do with the slightly dodgey information concerning Shaws possible arrest of Walter Dornberger. Jim was uncommital to this source. Thus his use of LaRouche was not neccessarily an endorsement of his work. Anyhow from time to time I've used people whose work I tend not to agree with, help I even used a good call by John Hankey concerning E Howard Hunt. What Piper has done however, is portray DiEugenio as endorsing LaRouche. Which is unequivocally untrue and is as bad as saying John agrees with my ideas.
George Michael Evica thought Mossad was Awesome????????
Now seeing as Jim DiEugenio is 'responsible' look out! Our memories of GME are truly shattered. GME really loved Mossad all along. I'm sorry Chuck! I just didn't know how to break it too you!
"In a similar vein, longtime JFK assassination researcher George Michael Evica has referred to my documentation of the Mossad connections of Permindex as being part of the "Communist" false sponsors of disinformation in the JFK assassination and described Final Judgment as being "itself a valuable exercise in 'false flags,' patsies and inverted plots, but like the Garrison investigation, a major venting of False Sponsorship `leads,' which, paradoxically is its most significant value."
Evica makes a good point that there has been quite a bit of disinformation relating to the JFK assassination in circulation over the years, but he is obviously unwilling to concede the possibility that those wonderful intelligence operatives at the Mossad had anything to do with it. Evidently, in Evica's view, the Mossad is the only intelligence agency in the world that kept its hands clean as far as the JFK assassination is concerned. As I keep saying to people: "If the Mossad and Israel loved JFK so much, why don't JFK researchers go to the Mossad and ask them to find out what really happened to JFK and settle the matter once and for all?"
This entire ramble is bizarre. When did Evica ever call Mossad 'wonderful' and when did Evica ever say every single intelligence agency in the world was ever involved? Evica quite obviously thought Pipes book was full of shite. Useful only for the foolish amount of false sponsors Pipes named in all seriousness.
The Torbitt Document Sucks. So I use Them Via other Author's.
One of the funniest things about dear Mr Pipes book, is that while decrying these documents he seems to use a lot of authors that love them. Lyndon LaRouche gets a few mentions for starters. He wrote two books that heavily relied on the Torbitt Documents. 'Permindex Britain's International Assassination Bureau' and 'Dope Inc' in which Permindex was again a big player. A dead give away for his Permindex-Torbitt Document hard on is his use of the FBI's Division 5 (Page 254) In which he adds that Bloomfield the founder of Permindex was a member. Outside of the Torbitt document however there is no actual evidence of his involvement with Division 5.
Another oddity about Piper is that while decrying the Gemstone Files (Pages 672-674) Torbitt Document (Pages 674-675) for being fake he criticises them for ignoring the Israeli links. How anybody can take this guy seriously is beyond my comprehension. It seems he is effectively saying that he'd believe them if they pointed to Israeli involvement. In his rant about the Gemstone Files, he asks the reader to compare the accuracy of his work to the Gemstone Files and 'would welcome an intellectual challenge of this calibre'. Well of course the Gemstone File is packed full of lies. So Piper would be right at home. He himself is an exceptionally dishonest individual. Just look at what he writes about Mae Brussell.
[size=12]"The much-touted Grande Dame of Conspiracy Theorists, Mae Brussell, helped popularize the Skeleton Key and she had a type of cult following. Mrs. Brussell seemed to find a Nazi under every rock and that has an appeal in some circles. One of her disciples is a character named Dave Emory. I discussed her theory that "The Nazis Killed JFK" in Chapter 15."
Now. The Nazi stuff is almost as insufferable as the Israelis did it. But not quite. There's more genuine evidence linking JFK's assassins to generic right wing organisations with facist sympathies than there are to Israel. As for Emory who cares!!!! His influence on JFK related stuff is negligable. But as for Brussell, she thought the Gemstone Files were an utter load of shite (http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vmgemstone...vepics.htm). Furthermore, Brussell didn't create the Gemston Files 'Skeleton Key' it was [/SIZE]actually Stephanie Caruana her adjutant in 1975 that went orgasmic on it. All Brussell did was assemble them in a folder in which she slapped 'Gemstone' on it. In fact Piper would do well to read this brilliant article on the Gemstone Files by Martin Cannon (http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...w=previous).
Indeed it's via reading this review one can see how much Piper may well have used from this document, he uses but distrusts deeply.
Stay Tuned for more...well do I really need to go on!!!!
"I don't always agree with the interpretations of the LaRouche organization, but their research is always worth examining on a wide variety of matters. I will point out that several other JFK researchers have relied upon LaRouche writings as part of their own research: Jim Marrs cites the LaRouche efforts inCrossfire, James DiEugenio cites [size=12]them in Destin[size=12]y[/SIZE][/SIZE]Betrayed and even Oliver Stone himself in his published script of the filmJFK (including commentary and annotation) cites the LaRoucheorganization for some of the material relating to Permindex. So if anyone wants to score me for using LaRouche material as a source, they better be prepared to do the same regarding these other "responsible" researchers."
Now the inference here is that Jim is a 'responsible researcher' why is he responsible? Well I don't know. He certainly doesnt endorse or entertain any of Pipers theories concerning Israel and the assassination. Nor did Marrs in Crossfire. Thus, when Piper attacks people for disliking his thesis yet includes DiEugenio I am very suspicious. Is he trying to link both Jim's in with his ideas? When considering how responsible Jim has been in 'not' going along with the aforementioned 'Israel did it' gunk and how irresponsible Piper is for going with it. Pipers the last guy I'd ever want endorsing my stuff. Jim uses LaRouche on one page in a footnote this is to do with the slightly dodgey information concerning Shaws possible arrest of Walter Dornberger. Jim was uncommital to this source. Thus his use of LaRouche was not neccessarily an endorsement of his work. Anyhow from time to time I've used people whose work I tend not to agree with, help I even used a good call by John Hankey concerning E Howard Hunt. What Piper has done however, is portray DiEugenio as endorsing LaRouche. Which is unequivocally untrue and is as bad as saying John agrees with my ideas.
George Michael Evica thought Mossad was Awesome????????
Now seeing as Jim DiEugenio is 'responsible' look out! Our memories of GME are truly shattered. GME really loved Mossad all along. I'm sorry Chuck! I just didn't know how to break it too you!
"In a similar vein, longtime JFK assassination researcher George Michael Evica has referred to my documentation of the Mossad connections of Permindex as being part of the "Communist" false sponsors of disinformation in the JFK assassination and described Final Judgment as being "itself a valuable exercise in 'false flags,' patsies and inverted plots, but like the Garrison investigation, a major venting of False Sponsorship `leads,' which, paradoxically is its most significant value."
Evica makes a good point that there has been quite a bit of disinformation relating to the JFK assassination in circulation over the years, but he is obviously unwilling to concede the possibility that those wonderful intelligence operatives at the Mossad had anything to do with it. Evidently, in Evica's view, the Mossad is the only intelligence agency in the world that kept its hands clean as far as the JFK assassination is concerned. As I keep saying to people: "If the Mossad and Israel loved JFK so much, why don't JFK researchers go to the Mossad and ask them to find out what really happened to JFK and settle the matter once and for all?"
This entire ramble is bizarre. When did Evica ever call Mossad 'wonderful' and when did Evica ever say every single intelligence agency in the world was ever involved? Evica quite obviously thought Pipes book was full of shite. Useful only for the foolish amount of false sponsors Pipes named in all seriousness.
The Torbitt Document Sucks. So I use Them Via other Author's.
One of the funniest things about dear Mr Pipes book, is that while decrying these documents he seems to use a lot of authors that love them. Lyndon LaRouche gets a few mentions for starters. He wrote two books that heavily relied on the Torbitt Documents. 'Permindex Britain's International Assassination Bureau' and 'Dope Inc' in which Permindex was again a big player. A dead give away for his Permindex-Torbitt Document hard on is his use of the FBI's Division 5 (Page 254) In which he adds that Bloomfield the founder of Permindex was a member. Outside of the Torbitt document however there is no actual evidence of his involvement with Division 5.
Another oddity about Piper is that while decrying the Gemstone Files (Pages 672-674) Torbitt Document (Pages 674-675) for being fake he criticises them for ignoring the Israeli links. How anybody can take this guy seriously is beyond my comprehension. It seems he is effectively saying that he'd believe them if they pointed to Israeli involvement. In his rant about the Gemstone Files, he asks the reader to compare the accuracy of his work to the Gemstone Files and 'would welcome an intellectual challenge of this calibre'. Well of course the Gemstone File is packed full of lies. So Piper would be right at home. He himself is an exceptionally dishonest individual. Just look at what he writes about Mae Brussell.
[size=12]"The much-touted Grande Dame of Conspiracy Theorists, Mae Brussell, helped popularize the Skeleton Key and she had a type of cult following. Mrs. Brussell seemed to find a Nazi under every rock and that has an appeal in some circles. One of her disciples is a character named Dave Emory. I discussed her theory that "The Nazis Killed JFK" in Chapter 15."
Now. The Nazi stuff is almost as insufferable as the Israelis did it. But not quite. There's more genuine evidence linking JFK's assassins to generic right wing organisations with facist sympathies than there are to Israel. As for Emory who cares!!!! His influence on JFK related stuff is negligable. But as for Brussell, she thought the Gemstone Files were an utter load of shite (http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vmgemstone...vepics.htm). Furthermore, Brussell didn't create the Gemston Files 'Skeleton Key' it was [/SIZE]actually Stephanie Caruana her adjutant in 1975 that went orgasmic on it. All Brussell did was assemble them in a folder in which she slapped 'Gemstone' on it. In fact Piper would do well to read this brilliant article on the Gemstone Files by Martin Cannon (http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...w=previous).
Indeed it's via reading this review one can see how much Piper may well have used from this document, he uses but distrusts deeply.
Stay Tuned for more...well do I really need to go on!!!!
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992