08-08-2011, 05:18 AM
Thanks, Wayne, for your contribution, in which I see no links, and no actual references other than a request that I continue my research.
I'll stand on the book I noted above entitled "Wetiko" which doesn't reference Zionism or any protocols.
I have already noted the source of the "hoax" information about the Protocols as being forwarded to the world press in London and New York by none other than Allen Dulles, one of the more trustworthy and noble people we discuss here. That reference is in the book "Gentleman Spy" which I cross-checked with an inter-library loan and posted the text here at DPF, I believe, as well as elsewhere. It is noted by a number of people that one can read the alleged protocols (no matter who wrote them) and see their praxis in the events of the recent years in America and globally.
I am currently reading "The Perfectibilists" from the TrineDay stable of books. A shortage of time prevented me from adding all the pertinent text. Let me rectify that in brief by referring you to the four appendices, in particular the first.
We could place a wager but my dollar won't be worth much soon.
Zionism in its current day practice can be seen in several modes: (I am in America and see it in terms of the "Zionist" influences in fundamentalist Christianity -- though I doubt the fellow from Palestine would want his name associated with its political theories and actions -- and neo-conservatism (as brought to the public and the world during the administration of George The Younger which was packed with Zionists), and one can see it in terms of the actions of the Israeli government -- especially its right wing -- in Palestine. There is something to be said about 'knowing them by their works'.
In defense of Zion and Zionism and its creature state, how many more brown-skinned people and American soldiers will die? How much trauma and genetic damage will be wrought upon the peoples of the world?
And, it must be further noted, the Order of Skull and Bones, arguably a branch of the Illuminati or some sub-group of it, is laden with people deeply involved in deep politics, the media, espionage, education, and the military and political governance of America brought to a peak (pique?) -- as is well-known -- in 2000 when both Presidential candidates were members who had sworn a prior and over-riding oath such as above and yet refused to publicly discuss the matter.
The one who won took America to war and, under his reign, we saw the most horrific mass murder which it can and has been said and documented involved neo-Conservatives, Israeli entities, Zionist influence, and direction to stampede the US into giving up its rights and heading off to a useless and endless war which helped bring the country close to bankruptcy or totalitarianism.
The ultimate Hegelian choice...
I'll stand on the book I noted above entitled "Wetiko" which doesn't reference Zionism or any protocols.
I have already noted the source of the "hoax" information about the Protocols as being forwarded to the world press in London and New York by none other than Allen Dulles, one of the more trustworthy and noble people we discuss here. That reference is in the book "Gentleman Spy" which I cross-checked with an inter-library loan and posted the text here at DPF, I believe, as well as elsewhere. It is noted by a number of people that one can read the alleged protocols (no matter who wrote them) and see their praxis in the events of the recent years in America and globally.
I am currently reading "The Perfectibilists" from the TrineDay stable of books. A shortage of time prevented me from adding all the pertinent text. Let me rectify that in brief by referring you to the four appendices, in particular the first.
Quote: Joint Juridical Deposition of Utzschneider, Grunberger and Cosandey before Elector Karl Theodor, Septemember 9, 1785 (from Barruel's Memoirs, pp. 684-688.Zionism, you say, is not part of any deep political system, but the history of Zionism can be traced and its supporters known and their histories traced as well. Are there any intersections in that back-tracing? Is there a historical intersection with the Illuminati and the Rothschild family? We can see the relevance of the Rothschild family in the important geographies and buildings of the state of Israel. We can see the influence of the Rothschilds in the use of "circles", in the direction and history of centralized banking, and an argument can be made in terms of the influence of that activity on the current economic travails of America that may wash again on the shores of Europe and Asia in the week of 8/8-12/2011.
The object of the first degree of Illuminism is at once to train their young men, and to be informed of everything that is going forward by a system of espionage. The Superiors aim at procuring fromt her inferiors diplomatic acts, documents, and original writings. With pleasure they see them commit any treasons or treacherous acts, because they not only tuirn the secrets betrayed to their own advantage, but thereby have it in their power to keep the traitors in a perpetual dread, lest, if they ever showed any signs of stubborness, their malefactions should be made known. Oderint dum metuant, let them hate, provided they fear, is the principle of their government.
The Illuminees from these first degrees are educated in the following principles:
I. The Illuminee who wishes to rise to the highest degree must be free from all religion....
III. The end justifies the means. The welfare of the Order will be a justification for calumnies, poisonings, assassinations, perjuries, treasons, rebellions; in short, for all that the prejudices of men lead them to call crimes.
IV. ... Honor, life, and fortune, all are to be sacrificed to the Superiors.
V. The love of one's prince and of one's country are incompatible with views of an immense extent, with the ultimate ends of the Order, and one must glow with ardour for the attainment of that end.
Emphasis with italics in the original.
We could place a wager but my dollar won't be worth much soon.
Zionism in its current day practice can be seen in several modes: (I am in America and see it in terms of the "Zionist" influences in fundamentalist Christianity -- though I doubt the fellow from Palestine would want his name associated with its political theories and actions -- and neo-conservatism (as brought to the public and the world during the administration of George The Younger which was packed with Zionists), and one can see it in terms of the actions of the Israeli government -- especially its right wing -- in Palestine. There is something to be said about 'knowing them by their works'.
In defense of Zion and Zionism and its creature state, how many more brown-skinned people and American soldiers will die? How much trauma and genetic damage will be wrought upon the peoples of the world?
And, it must be further noted, the Order of Skull and Bones, arguably a branch of the Illuminati or some sub-group of it, is laden with people deeply involved in deep politics, the media, espionage, education, and the military and political governance of America brought to a peak (pique?) -- as is well-known -- in 2000 when both Presidential candidates were members who had sworn a prior and over-riding oath such as above and yet refused to publicly discuss the matter.
The one who won took America to war and, under his reign, we saw the most horrific mass murder which it can and has been said and documented involved neo-Conservatives, Israeli entities, Zionist influence, and direction to stampede the US into giving up its rights and heading off to a useless and endless war which helped bring the country close to bankruptcy or totalitarianism.
The ultimate Hegelian choice...
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"