04-12-2011, 08:03 AM
Ed Jewett Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:... the psychiatrists do not understand deep politics...
Not to disagree with you on the whole, or pick a fight, but it seems to me that some psychiatrists, the field of psychiatry, and a number of cases would directly indicate that shrinks are deeply implicated within the arena of deep politics as engineers, cover-up artists, de-programmers, or other. It follows when one understands the environment of the mind and how it can be tricked, controlled, used (and abused). I can probably dig up the exact references, but recent readings in books about secret societies, Gordon Thomas book "Journey Into Madness", Alex Constantine's "Psychic Dictatorship" and others prove that the hand of international psychiatry is snugly fitted into one or more fingers of the glove of deep politics. I haven't finished reading Colin Ross' case history yet, but to say it is interesting would be an understatement.
Of course, some psychologists and psychiatirsts work on that 'dark side', but as I trained initially in clinical psychology and then switched to other fields, I know quite well that many would never ever participate in such and are looking to heal the pain and suffering that many go through mentally in their lives. There are different schools in psychology. A few are, IMHO [both when I was a student and now] anathema to real psychological help [Skinner, DelGatto, et al.] Other's [Perls, Szasz et al.] are totally aware of how repressive modern society is and aim to help the individual self actualize and defend against it. Yet others, have other views. Don't lump all into the same camp. Incidently, one of the reasons I left clinical psychology because too few were willing to use their skill set to look at politicians, people in positions of power, whole societies, and not just the individual....though there are some, and I could name, who have written great works that help the individual to battle the society and maintain and build up one's own goals and world-view; build defenses from the assault on them by the propaganda, as well as the general insanity of modern Western life.

To bring it back on topic, I listened some to the two psychiatrists and they seemed average in their world view - which in most is the assumption that society is basicly 'sane' as those in it, and that aberations from society is a sign of some mental disorder. Szasz on the other hand wrote a brilliant document I'll try to find about how society was insane and anyone seemingly acting aberrantly might well be the sane one. Of course he was also aware that there are simply those for organic or psychological reasons really had problems - now we know that some few are also artificially created / programmed to be so.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass