04-01-2012, 07:43 AM
Mr. Doyle,
It wasn't graceful because it wasn't a concession, but rather, a dismissal.
And Doorman can't simply be Lovelady because he is wearing Oswald's shirt. And I know enough about logic to realize that if he's wearing Oswald's shirt, he is, by LOGICAL necessity, Oswald, and can't be anyone else. Your arguments have not challenged that conclusion, nor the evidence that it's based on, one iota.
So, you think Oswald was on the 2nd floor during the shooting and had nothing to do with the crime? Is that correct? I have to ask because, frankly, you are not the most lucid writer in the world, and you don't always communicate that clearly.
But, let's go with that because it's a start. So, you think Oswald was set up as the patsy. That's good, very good.
But, if he was on the 2nd floor during the shooting, why did he lie and tell Detective Fritz that he was outside by Bill Shelley? It wasn't unlawful for him to be on the 2nd floor. He had to know that it would be very precarious for him to start lying during such an investigation when he was the prime and only suspect. And he had nothing to lie about. It wasn't unlawful for him to be on the 2nd floor. I don't know what you think he was doing on the 2nd floor. I don't know what you think his interest was to be on the 2nd floor rather than outside watching the President. But, whatever it was, why didn't he just tell Bill Fritz about it and be done with it? Why lie?
But regardless, you do think Oswald was framed, and you've already implicated the CIA and the FBI. And you've also referred to "greater sponsors." I presume you mean higher elements within the government. Surely, you wouldn't refer to, say, the Mafia has a "greater sponsor" than the CIA or the FBI. Would you?
So, according to you, there were all these government factions plotting to kill Kennedy and frame Oswald. And he, for some reason, wanted to hang out on the 2nd floor during the motorcade. And then afterwards, he felt compelled to lie about that. I guess he felt it would sound better if he said he was outside, so it was worth lying about. Is that your take?
You also admitted that Kennedy "had his brains blown out." I believe those were your exact words. And that is what every conspiracy theorist invariably says. But, lone gunman advocates don't say it because they refuse to accept the testimony of all the Parkland doctors who said Kennedy's brains were blown out- to the rear. Lone gunman advocates accept the autopsy photos which show an intact skull and a small neat entrance wound back there. But since you believe his brains were blown out, you must then believe that there was quite a lot of subterfuge and manipulation to hide the fact that his brains were indeed blown out. I find it strange that you would embrace such a gargantuan manipulation for that purpose but fight the idea that the Altgens evidence was manipulated at all. Hmmm.
And since you think Oswald was innocent, I presume you don't accept the Single Bullet Theory. And I'm sure you realize that they only gravitated to it after the existence of the first, missed bullet was discovered. It was a revisionist thing. But, you have no such reason to gravitate to it. It was done to implicate Oswald and align with his 3 bullet limitation. So again, the whole thing about finding the Magic Bullet on the stretcher at Parkland, and finding it unscathed after having caused 7 wounds in 2 men, and busting through 2 bones in Connally- that has got to rub you wrong. Yes? You must see terrible subterfuge involved with all that. Yet, you think they're clean as a whistle when it comes to the Altgens photo. Hmmm.
And if you believe Douglass, then I presume you believe that they had at least one Oswald double running around doing things to implicate and malign Oswald- and maybe more than one double. And you must know about Robert Vinson, who revealed that he rode on the Air Force cargo plane from Dallas to New Mexico immediately after the assassination with an Oswald double. So, with all that, and with the other things that Douglass reported, I take it you have no problem accepting that they would have gone TO ANY LENGTHS to frame Oswald. Yes?
Are you willing to admit that if he HAD been standing outside during the shooting and was photographed by Altgens, and they accidentally released that photo to the news wires of the world without realizing he was in it, that there was no way that they would have admitted it afterwards and declared Oswald innocent? I presume the answer is yes because it's not as though they had an alternative theory of the crime, a fallback theory. For them, it was Oswald or nothing. Isn't that true? So, they would have done whatever was necessary even after such a gargantuan mistake. Right?
So, that takes us back to Oswald being on the 2nd floor. You say he was on the 2nd floor based of the testimony of Carolyn Arnold. But didn't she go outside to watch the motorcade herself? And once she did that, how exactly would she have known where Oswald was? If she saw him there shortly before the motorcade and then she went out to watch it, why couldn't he have slipped down there too behind her, without her seeing him?
And what was he doing on the 2nd floor? This is really an important question for you. And you can't be glib about it. Why wasn't he interested in seeing the President? You figure he was apolitical? Based on what? Again, what was he doing on the 2nd floor, Doyle? And whatever it was, why couldn't he tell Fritz about it? Whatever it was, it couldn't have been as bad as shooting the President, as he was being accused, right? And it's hard to imagine that he was doing anything of a criminal nature on the 2nd floor such that he had to lie about it. So, why didn't he just say he was there?
But, getting back to the Altgens photo and the identity of the Doorman, why doesn't it bother you that they didn't try to identify Black Tie Man? Why doesn't it bother you that they didn't try to establish and verify Lovelady's buttoning behavior that day? It's a little unusual standing there with your shirt unbuttoned with the President driving by. Don't you think? Now, if it happened to be Oswald, as I believe, it's perfectly understandable because his buttons were missing. But Lovelady's were not. So, why didn't somebody ask him about it, and why didn't somebody ask others about his buttoning practices that day? And why doesn't it bother you that there was no inquiry into this at all?
All we know from the Warren Report is that they showed him "a" picture, without identifying the picture, and they asked him to point to himself in the picture, which he did, but they never identified which figure he pointed to. We really have no way of knowing if it was the Altgens photo, and we have no way of knowing whether the person he pointed to was the Doorway Man. But if it was, why didn't they follow it up with: "Well, why were you unbuttoned?" And why are you unperturbed by that glaring omission ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU MUST ACCEPT SUBTERFUGE IN REGARD TO MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION?- since you are, indeed, a conspiracy theorist who rejects the official theory of the crime.
Have you read Weisberg's PHOTOGRAPHIC WHITEWASH? He maintains that Warren Commission Chief Counsel Rankin was appalled because J. Edgar Hoover refused to take possession of and examine the shirt that Lovelady claimed he wore. And Rankin actually used the word "whitewash" to describe what was going on. That's a good book. You should read it.
It wasn't graceful because it wasn't a concession, but rather, a dismissal.
And Doorman can't simply be Lovelady because he is wearing Oswald's shirt. And I know enough about logic to realize that if he's wearing Oswald's shirt, he is, by LOGICAL necessity, Oswald, and can't be anyone else. Your arguments have not challenged that conclusion, nor the evidence that it's based on, one iota.
So, you think Oswald was on the 2nd floor during the shooting and had nothing to do with the crime? Is that correct? I have to ask because, frankly, you are not the most lucid writer in the world, and you don't always communicate that clearly.
But, let's go with that because it's a start. So, you think Oswald was set up as the patsy. That's good, very good.
But, if he was on the 2nd floor during the shooting, why did he lie and tell Detective Fritz that he was outside by Bill Shelley? It wasn't unlawful for him to be on the 2nd floor. He had to know that it would be very precarious for him to start lying during such an investigation when he was the prime and only suspect. And he had nothing to lie about. It wasn't unlawful for him to be on the 2nd floor. I don't know what you think he was doing on the 2nd floor. I don't know what you think his interest was to be on the 2nd floor rather than outside watching the President. But, whatever it was, why didn't he just tell Bill Fritz about it and be done with it? Why lie?
But regardless, you do think Oswald was framed, and you've already implicated the CIA and the FBI. And you've also referred to "greater sponsors." I presume you mean higher elements within the government. Surely, you wouldn't refer to, say, the Mafia has a "greater sponsor" than the CIA or the FBI. Would you?
So, according to you, there were all these government factions plotting to kill Kennedy and frame Oswald. And he, for some reason, wanted to hang out on the 2nd floor during the motorcade. And then afterwards, he felt compelled to lie about that. I guess he felt it would sound better if he said he was outside, so it was worth lying about. Is that your take?
You also admitted that Kennedy "had his brains blown out." I believe those were your exact words. And that is what every conspiracy theorist invariably says. But, lone gunman advocates don't say it because they refuse to accept the testimony of all the Parkland doctors who said Kennedy's brains were blown out- to the rear. Lone gunman advocates accept the autopsy photos which show an intact skull and a small neat entrance wound back there. But since you believe his brains were blown out, you must then believe that there was quite a lot of subterfuge and manipulation to hide the fact that his brains were indeed blown out. I find it strange that you would embrace such a gargantuan manipulation for that purpose but fight the idea that the Altgens evidence was manipulated at all. Hmmm.
And since you think Oswald was innocent, I presume you don't accept the Single Bullet Theory. And I'm sure you realize that they only gravitated to it after the existence of the first, missed bullet was discovered. It was a revisionist thing. But, you have no such reason to gravitate to it. It was done to implicate Oswald and align with his 3 bullet limitation. So again, the whole thing about finding the Magic Bullet on the stretcher at Parkland, and finding it unscathed after having caused 7 wounds in 2 men, and busting through 2 bones in Connally- that has got to rub you wrong. Yes? You must see terrible subterfuge involved with all that. Yet, you think they're clean as a whistle when it comes to the Altgens photo. Hmmm.
And if you believe Douglass, then I presume you believe that they had at least one Oswald double running around doing things to implicate and malign Oswald- and maybe more than one double. And you must know about Robert Vinson, who revealed that he rode on the Air Force cargo plane from Dallas to New Mexico immediately after the assassination with an Oswald double. So, with all that, and with the other things that Douglass reported, I take it you have no problem accepting that they would have gone TO ANY LENGTHS to frame Oswald. Yes?
Are you willing to admit that if he HAD been standing outside during the shooting and was photographed by Altgens, and they accidentally released that photo to the news wires of the world without realizing he was in it, that there was no way that they would have admitted it afterwards and declared Oswald innocent? I presume the answer is yes because it's not as though they had an alternative theory of the crime, a fallback theory. For them, it was Oswald or nothing. Isn't that true? So, they would have done whatever was necessary even after such a gargantuan mistake. Right?
So, that takes us back to Oswald being on the 2nd floor. You say he was on the 2nd floor based of the testimony of Carolyn Arnold. But didn't she go outside to watch the motorcade herself? And once she did that, how exactly would she have known where Oswald was? If she saw him there shortly before the motorcade and then she went out to watch it, why couldn't he have slipped down there too behind her, without her seeing him?
And what was he doing on the 2nd floor? This is really an important question for you. And you can't be glib about it. Why wasn't he interested in seeing the President? You figure he was apolitical? Based on what? Again, what was he doing on the 2nd floor, Doyle? And whatever it was, why couldn't he tell Fritz about it? Whatever it was, it couldn't have been as bad as shooting the President, as he was being accused, right? And it's hard to imagine that he was doing anything of a criminal nature on the 2nd floor such that he had to lie about it. So, why didn't he just say he was there?
But, getting back to the Altgens photo and the identity of the Doorman, why doesn't it bother you that they didn't try to identify Black Tie Man? Why doesn't it bother you that they didn't try to establish and verify Lovelady's buttoning behavior that day? It's a little unusual standing there with your shirt unbuttoned with the President driving by. Don't you think? Now, if it happened to be Oswald, as I believe, it's perfectly understandable because his buttons were missing. But Lovelady's were not. So, why didn't somebody ask him about it, and why didn't somebody ask others about his buttoning practices that day? And why doesn't it bother you that there was no inquiry into this at all?
All we know from the Warren Report is that they showed him "a" picture, without identifying the picture, and they asked him to point to himself in the picture, which he did, but they never identified which figure he pointed to. We really have no way of knowing if it was the Altgens photo, and we have no way of knowing whether the person he pointed to was the Doorway Man. But if it was, why didn't they follow it up with: "Well, why were you unbuttoned?" And why are you unperturbed by that glaring omission ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU MUST ACCEPT SUBTERFUGE IN REGARD TO MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION?- since you are, indeed, a conspiracy theorist who rejects the official theory of the crime.
Have you read Weisberg's PHOTOGRAPHIC WHITEWASH? He maintains that Warren Commission Chief Counsel Rankin was appalled because J. Edgar Hoover refused to take possession of and examine the shirt that Lovelady claimed he wore. And Rankin actually used the word "whitewash" to describe what was going on. That's a good book. You should read it.