04-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Mr. Doyle,
My photographic analysis of the shirts can be seen on my videos. And they'll also get my verbal analysis.
What did Oswald say that was so crazy? Be specific. Quote him. Do not generalize or paraphrase. You are the one who is citing it, so you quote him. Otherwise, I might start thinking that you are contriving some tortured logical fallacies.
But, I'm glad at least you admit there were "other cases of severe manipulation of assassination evidence." That's a relief, and I'll hold you to it. And you seem to be now admitting the "possibility" of Altgens photo forgery. That's progress too.
But, I am not charging harder with the same stuff. We were talking about Black Hole Man and why his face was missing. Now I am talking about your assertion that Oswald was on the 2nd floor during the shooting. That is different stuff.
Now, as to your speculation that Oswald thought he was on another FBI infiltrator assignment to stop the Cuban exiles from killing Kennedy, it's interesting! But, it is just a speculation, and I trust you realize that your speculations, my speculations, and even Mr. Drago's speculations, are of little value in evaluating points of fact. The simple fact is that anybody can speculate anything.
So, you think Oswald was ordered to stay on the 2nd floor to keep him out of sight. That's plausible. But, it still doesn't explain why he would lie to the police about it. You know, it's a big deal to lie to the police. And if he lied to them in saying that he was outside, he had to know that they'd ask around, try to confirm it. And if he was really inside on the 2nd floor, he had to know that somebody might have seen him there and reported it. So, it was very risky for him to lie. And I don't think that we should assume that he was a stupid person. After all, he learned Russian fluently, reading and writing. Have you ever tried to do that? I have dabbled with it: Doh-bree dyen. Kok-de-lah. Eeez-vee-neet-tee-yea. Das-vee-don-ya. It's hard. More than 10X harder than Spanish. But, he did it.
So, even if he was ordered to remain on the 2nd floor, which is only a speculation on your part, it still doesn't explain why he would lie about it and say that he was outside. So, you haven't covered any ground on that. You haven't lessened the problem at all. In the end, your conclusions offer and say nothing.
It's not just that Black Tie Man was never identified. It's that he was never discussed, never mentioned, never pointed to. "Who is this guy standing so close to Doorman?" That question was never asked. And if they were convinced that Lovelady was Doorman, why didn't they ask him?
So now you think that Black Tie Man was "military intelligence" or a "mafia guard?" Is that what you're saying? Well, if he was, how could the investigators not be interested? How could they claim not to be interested? Of course, the Warren Commission was a whitewash, and apparently, we are in agreement about that. But, for appearances, wouldn't they have to have pretended to be honest and objective and inquired about this potential military intelligence agent or mafia guard?
The buttons were NOT torn off during Oswald's arrest. No one has ever said. No one has ever reported that. And to my knowledge, no one has ever suggested that before. I know that when backed into a corner one tends to grasp at straws in desperation, but there is no basis for it. Why should there be? Are you suggesting that he was buttoned up and some policeman grabbed his shirt and tore through all the buttons? Is that what you're saying? Well, there is no evidence of that. None whatsoever. And just so you know: the only thing worse than being glib is being glibly speculative.
There is no reason why Lovelady couldn't have had his shirt unbuttoned? Well, I realize it was physically possible. But, how likely was it? He was buttoned up shortly afterwards. No one reported him being unbuttoned. And the whole subject was deliberately sidestepped. You're on record as saying there were "severe manipulations." So, why not consider the possibility that avoiding discussing the issue of Lovelady's buttoning habits was one such manipulation?
And, I am afraid that you are making MY point. If" "Hoover's reluctance was easily explained by his imposing a refusal to look into any evidence besides the Sniper's Nest Lone Nut theory" then you are saying that the issue of Lovelady's shirt WAS a threat to the Sniper's Nest Lone Nut theory, and that's why he didn't look at it. Well, that is exactly what I am saying, and that is exactly why we should take it seriously.
Whatever Hoover was looking away from, shunning, we should hone in on. Isn't that a valid practice for conspiracy theorists like you and me?
I'll let you answer the above, but then, we're going to return to the Altgens photo. There is another anomaly I want to point out in this photo, which you insist is unaltered. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this one.
My photographic analysis of the shirts can be seen on my videos. And they'll also get my verbal analysis.
What did Oswald say that was so crazy? Be specific. Quote him. Do not generalize or paraphrase. You are the one who is citing it, so you quote him. Otherwise, I might start thinking that you are contriving some tortured logical fallacies.
But, I'm glad at least you admit there were "other cases of severe manipulation of assassination evidence." That's a relief, and I'll hold you to it. And you seem to be now admitting the "possibility" of Altgens photo forgery. That's progress too.
But, I am not charging harder with the same stuff. We were talking about Black Hole Man and why his face was missing. Now I am talking about your assertion that Oswald was on the 2nd floor during the shooting. That is different stuff.
Now, as to your speculation that Oswald thought he was on another FBI infiltrator assignment to stop the Cuban exiles from killing Kennedy, it's interesting! But, it is just a speculation, and I trust you realize that your speculations, my speculations, and even Mr. Drago's speculations, are of little value in evaluating points of fact. The simple fact is that anybody can speculate anything.
So, you think Oswald was ordered to stay on the 2nd floor to keep him out of sight. That's plausible. But, it still doesn't explain why he would lie to the police about it. You know, it's a big deal to lie to the police. And if he lied to them in saying that he was outside, he had to know that they'd ask around, try to confirm it. And if he was really inside on the 2nd floor, he had to know that somebody might have seen him there and reported it. So, it was very risky for him to lie. And I don't think that we should assume that he was a stupid person. After all, he learned Russian fluently, reading and writing. Have you ever tried to do that? I have dabbled with it: Doh-bree dyen. Kok-de-lah. Eeez-vee-neet-tee-yea. Das-vee-don-ya. It's hard. More than 10X harder than Spanish. But, he did it.
So, even if he was ordered to remain on the 2nd floor, which is only a speculation on your part, it still doesn't explain why he would lie about it and say that he was outside. So, you haven't covered any ground on that. You haven't lessened the problem at all. In the end, your conclusions offer and say nothing.
It's not just that Black Tie Man was never identified. It's that he was never discussed, never mentioned, never pointed to. "Who is this guy standing so close to Doorman?" That question was never asked. And if they were convinced that Lovelady was Doorman, why didn't they ask him?
So now you think that Black Tie Man was "military intelligence" or a "mafia guard?" Is that what you're saying? Well, if he was, how could the investigators not be interested? How could they claim not to be interested? Of course, the Warren Commission was a whitewash, and apparently, we are in agreement about that. But, for appearances, wouldn't they have to have pretended to be honest and objective and inquired about this potential military intelligence agent or mafia guard?
The buttons were NOT torn off during Oswald's arrest. No one has ever said. No one has ever reported that. And to my knowledge, no one has ever suggested that before. I know that when backed into a corner one tends to grasp at straws in desperation, but there is no basis for it. Why should there be? Are you suggesting that he was buttoned up and some policeman grabbed his shirt and tore through all the buttons? Is that what you're saying? Well, there is no evidence of that. None whatsoever. And just so you know: the only thing worse than being glib is being glibly speculative.
There is no reason why Lovelady couldn't have had his shirt unbuttoned? Well, I realize it was physically possible. But, how likely was it? He was buttoned up shortly afterwards. No one reported him being unbuttoned. And the whole subject was deliberately sidestepped. You're on record as saying there were "severe manipulations." So, why not consider the possibility that avoiding discussing the issue of Lovelady's buttoning habits was one such manipulation?
And, I am afraid that you are making MY point. If" "Hoover's reluctance was easily explained by his imposing a refusal to look into any evidence besides the Sniper's Nest Lone Nut theory" then you are saying that the issue of Lovelady's shirt WAS a threat to the Sniper's Nest Lone Nut theory, and that's why he didn't look at it. Well, that is exactly what I am saying, and that is exactly why we should take it seriously.
Whatever Hoover was looking away from, shunning, we should hone in on. Isn't that a valid practice for conspiracy theorists like you and me?
I'll let you answer the above, but then, we're going to return to the Altgens photo. There is another anomaly I want to point out in this photo, which you insist is unaltered. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this one.