15-05-2012, 04:47 AM
What puzzles me are endless attempts to dialogue with people who have no intention to dialogue.
Consider Fetzer and the title of his thread at EF. He puts up this thread knowing only he and his friend Cinque are willing to face the truth. Only their intellect, their courage allows them to face the truth. And now we are involved the myth of the hero. Fetzer and his student are the heroes, and we therefore must be the adversaries of the hero: Scylla and Charybdis, the Medusa, and so forth.
By my count, Fetzer is on his fourth candidate for the heroic journey. Judy Wood was the first. Judith Vary Baker was the second. Philip Nelson (?) was the third -- although I don't recall whether they were connected. And now we have Cinque. Fetzter has championed each one; he has stood up and been their sponsor.
Three of the four strike me as some kind of personality disorder: Cinque and Judy Wood strike me as narcissists. JVB might be histrionic. Philip Nelson? No opinion. But minus Nelson, I suspect that Fetzer seems to attract disturbed persons. My theory about Fetzer is that he is an sadly aging man who needs to find some kind of redemption in yet another heroic quest. He ends up taking on people he imagines need his great name. They on the other hand get a payoff by getting their name out their. This is particularly true of Cinque and Wood.
Which gets me to my first point. There is no chance at engaging in a dialogue with people locked in this social arrangement. It is based on bad faith.
This way of understanding the endless conversation tries to avoid having to think that someone has been paid off or intimidated into lying. BUT it does not exclude the possibility. But it is tragic.
edit: the narcissistic personality disorder: is a personality disorder[SUP][1][/SUP] in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] First formulated in 1968, it was historically called megalomania, and it is closely linked to egocentrism.
Does this sound right?
Consider Fetzer and the title of his thread at EF. He puts up this thread knowing only he and his friend Cinque are willing to face the truth. Only their intellect, their courage allows them to face the truth. And now we are involved the myth of the hero. Fetzer and his student are the heroes, and we therefore must be the adversaries of the hero: Scylla and Charybdis, the Medusa, and so forth.
By my count, Fetzer is on his fourth candidate for the heroic journey. Judy Wood was the first. Judith Vary Baker was the second. Philip Nelson (?) was the third -- although I don't recall whether they were connected. And now we have Cinque. Fetzter has championed each one; he has stood up and been their sponsor.
Three of the four strike me as some kind of personality disorder: Cinque and Judy Wood strike me as narcissists. JVB might be histrionic. Philip Nelson? No opinion. But minus Nelson, I suspect that Fetzer seems to attract disturbed persons. My theory about Fetzer is that he is an sadly aging man who needs to find some kind of redemption in yet another heroic quest. He ends up taking on people he imagines need his great name. They on the other hand get a payoff by getting their name out their. This is particularly true of Cinque and Wood.
Which gets me to my first point. There is no chance at engaging in a dialogue with people locked in this social arrangement. It is based on bad faith.
This way of understanding the endless conversation tries to avoid having to think that someone has been paid off or intimidated into lying. BUT it does not exclude the possibility. But it is tragic.
edit: the narcissistic personality disorder: is a personality disorder[SUP][1][/SUP] in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] First formulated in 1968, it was historically called megalomania, and it is closely linked to egocentrism.
Does this sound right?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl