20-05-2012, 06:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 20-05-2012, 07:06 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Jeffrey, My primary thesis which would need to be exlucded first is that you are here to spread disinformation. Anything you like therefore is suspect as disinformation in my mind. Just sayin.
Lauren - I strongly disagree.
I have never regarded Jeffrey as a disinformation agent.
He has genuine professional expertise, which he has generously and patiently shared in many threads here at DPF.
Jan, Jeffrey, First of all, note that I said "spread disinformation" not agent, paid or otherwise. Second, I am not engaged in a loud, accusatory campaign. Third, note that I said "primary thesis" implying just that: a thesis that can be falsified. I am quite ready to say I was wrong and apologize. I had one specific encounter with Jeffrey that led me to my loss of respect for him. More later in a day or two when I get the time.
The few bits I have read in the e-book remind me of a limited hang-out. I remain skeptical. Which is probably a better word to use.
Jeffrey, until there is better evidence, I remain skeptical of you. I withdraw for the word "disinformation" describing your contributions. I will apologize if I am convinced you deserve it. Jan appreciates you contributions. That counts for a lot.
Now, please devote your energies to enlightening us.
If I understand correctly [and I think I do], Jeffry says [!] he doesn't 'buy' the official version, BUT has his own unique 'the building just unzipped' version of the collapses - which makes zero sense for Towers 1 and 2 and less than zero for Bldg 7. Yes, he is an architect and yes he is the apparent author of the unzip building thesis; but it doesn't IMO fit the facts, nor physics, nor logic. Some kind of controlled demolition is the best fit of the facts, the physics, the evidence [visual and otherwise], and logic - when one is apprised of the entire series of events. He is entitled to his unique theory, but I think it distracts and Lauren, myself, Jack White (when he was active on the Forum) and many others have wondered to ourselves and sometimes aloud if this distraction might not be intentional....to throw in yet another 'variant' - as extra shooters and events were thrown in about Dallas] in order to later be able to discredit and confuse. Just saying. I keep an open mind....but must admit I lean toward my last statement. I can find no logical basis for this unzip theory - any more than I can for the buildings being brought down by fire and heat. Having two false 'theories' plays into the hands of those who'd like to obscure the truth. Perhaps, Jeffrey just likes his theory so much he can't let it go....but that wasn't a lego set; it was a shit-sturdy, overconstructured set of three steel highrise buildings that came down at near free-fall speeds into powder and short sections of beams in a manner than [to me] is only consistent with controlled demolition with some explosives and/or cutting charges....likely nanothermite which can be used for both - and the residue of which has been found in quantity in the dust.
Jeffrey is not the only person to come up with yet another theory than controlled demolition or the official fairy tale - and not all of the offers, I freely admit, were meant to add confusion [whether they have or not]. Some others were meant to do so - and have. I have spent quite a bit of time looking at Jeffrey's theory. A&E for 911Truth generally dismissed it [and they too share his training] and I've heard of no one but Jeffrey himself who is convinced by it. I'm not. I see no evidence for it and much [very much] that says it can't be the way the buildings collapsed. Sorry.
One of the most telling things [not spoken about in the MSM or anywhere, really] is that as a result of 9/11/01 there have been NO building code changes for such buildings....meaning those who are in charge of such codes don't buy the 'official' bull, nor that other buildings could unzip when hit or have modest fires. The planes striking were a magicians touch, giving a 'logical' reason for the collapses.....but oppps!...no plane hit Bldg. 7 - and no plane likely hit the Pentagon - more likely a missile.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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