22-05-2012, 04:28 PM
Lauren,
The problem with your approach and likely most of the "truthers" is that frankly haven't absorbed what Naomi Klien has presented in The Shock Doctrine - the Rise of Disaster Capitalism... here is a wiki link in case you haven't read the book. One of course doesn't have to have read the book to understand Ms Klein's thesis, but she lays out this analysis brilliantly in her book. How does this apply 9/11 and your and the typical truther approach?
In brief... It doesn't matter whether a major event was purposefully caused such as an assassination, a false flag attack... or an *act of nature* such a a hurricane or a tsunami... the same actors rush in an push their agenda, grab more cash, more resources, more control. The never sit around and let government acting as the fiduciary for the people sort hings out with the least harm and pain on top of the tragedy. No they act like predatory vultures each and every time.
The main problem with the truther position is that it completely dismisses the existence of non state terrorism although there are the occasional feints to the notion (true) that AQ was a CIA created group to fight a proxy war with the USSR in Afganistan.
Many insiders from the CIA beginning with Philip Agee told us about the illegal activities of the CIA in formenting assassinations etc. for the benefit of the MIC and the corporations. Ike warned of the power of MIC which seemed to be like a shadow government ... or was our congress the shadow and the MIC was calling the moves. Any student f history is well aware of US imperialism and "adventurism" around the world which virtually ALWAYS benefits the MIC and the transnational corporations.
We've also seen virtually no accountability for misdeed by individuals or corporations over the past 60 yrs. At most a slap on the wrist and it's back to free market capitalism the quest for control of the world's resources. On 911 the slackers were even promoted!
We know from several of the investigation commissions over the past half century that these are sort of white washes and little to no accountability or justice comes from them. Iran Contra? Warren? Pike?..Watergate... there are so many names and so little change. Cover up is the middle name for these commissions. You want to call it lying and deception.. fine.
And then there is the question of whether terrorism actually exists and what it is? There are certainly non state groups who struggle against state power... such as the Sandinistas which actually got power and control as did Castro and others. They fight, they use terrorism techniques such as the Irgun, Jewish terrorists which fought the brits in the Palestine mandate and they of course blew up the King David Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks).
Terrorism is real. And the cause is essentially a weaker oppressed group fighting a stronger nation... and not fighting on the battlefield and often taking the lives of innocents in a sort of blackmail approach... since they can engage an army on a battlefield... usually.
The USA has created the terrorists we now claim we must fight against. How bout that!
So the truth movement basically says the event was all staged up to make it LOOK like terrorism and anyway we ARE the terrorist creators anyway... it was a simple false flag op. Makes sense.
Unfortunately it negates the notion that there are terrorists that are pissed off at the USA and would and have engaged in terrorists acts against us such as Khobar towers, the embassy in Nairobi and attacked the USS Cole. The xams and shoe bombers look like FBI/Intel sting ops... mini shock and awe to keep the cash coming to the MIC and keep the people scared.
Truthers refuse to consider that there were actual terrorists involved in 911 - it was all a stage show. Not even a sting operation where the *insiders* know of the coming event and *did something* with that knowledge. NO NO NO. The insiders DID it all from soup to nuts.
break... more to follow
The problem with your approach and likely most of the "truthers" is that frankly haven't absorbed what Naomi Klien has presented in The Shock Doctrine - the Rise of Disaster Capitalism... here is a wiki link in case you haven't read the book. One of course doesn't have to have read the book to understand Ms Klein's thesis, but she lays out this analysis brilliantly in her book. How does this apply 9/11 and your and the typical truther approach?
In brief... It doesn't matter whether a major event was purposefully caused such as an assassination, a false flag attack... or an *act of nature* such a a hurricane or a tsunami... the same actors rush in an push their agenda, grab more cash, more resources, more control. The never sit around and let government acting as the fiduciary for the people sort hings out with the least harm and pain on top of the tragedy. No they act like predatory vultures each and every time.
The main problem with the truther position is that it completely dismisses the existence of non state terrorism although there are the occasional feints to the notion (true) that AQ was a CIA created group to fight a proxy war with the USSR in Afganistan.
Many insiders from the CIA beginning with Philip Agee told us about the illegal activities of the CIA in formenting assassinations etc. for the benefit of the MIC and the corporations. Ike warned of the power of MIC which seemed to be like a shadow government ... or was our congress the shadow and the MIC was calling the moves. Any student f history is well aware of US imperialism and "adventurism" around the world which virtually ALWAYS benefits the MIC and the transnational corporations.
We've also seen virtually no accountability for misdeed by individuals or corporations over the past 60 yrs. At most a slap on the wrist and it's back to free market capitalism the quest for control of the world's resources. On 911 the slackers were even promoted!
We know from several of the investigation commissions over the past half century that these are sort of white washes and little to no accountability or justice comes from them. Iran Contra? Warren? Pike?..Watergate... there are so many names and so little change. Cover up is the middle name for these commissions. You want to call it lying and deception.. fine.
And then there is the question of whether terrorism actually exists and what it is? There are certainly non state groups who struggle against state power... such as the Sandinistas which actually got power and control as did Castro and others. They fight, they use terrorism techniques such as the Irgun, Jewish terrorists which fought the brits in the Palestine mandate and they of course blew up the King David Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks).
Terrorism is real. And the cause is essentially a weaker oppressed group fighting a stronger nation... and not fighting on the battlefield and often taking the lives of innocents in a sort of blackmail approach... since they can engage an army on a battlefield... usually.
The USA has created the terrorists we now claim we must fight against. How bout that!
So the truth movement basically says the event was all staged up to make it LOOK like terrorism and anyway we ARE the terrorist creators anyway... it was a simple false flag op. Makes sense.
Unfortunately it negates the notion that there are terrorists that are pissed off at the USA and would and have engaged in terrorists acts against us such as Khobar towers, the embassy in Nairobi and attacked the USS Cole. The xams and shoe bombers look like FBI/Intel sting ops... mini shock and awe to keep the cash coming to the MIC and keep the people scared.
Truthers refuse to consider that there were actual terrorists involved in 911 - it was all a stage show. Not even a sting operation where the *insiders* know of the coming event and *did something* with that knowledge. NO NO NO. The insiders DID it all from soup to nuts.
break... more to follow