Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

So do Quakers. So do Anglicans. So do atheists. Even the Roman Catholic Church has investments in armaments. So do hedge funds. So do many pension funds. Maybe your pension fund even. But the Vatican wasn't behind the assassination either.

There is more than one kind of Zionism. And there is more than one kind of political Zionism.

Lots of people and groups gained by the removal of JFK. Careers flourished. Bank accounts grew. New industries grew massively. Nations disappeared. New ones created. Just look at it all today. It wasn't florists who benefited.

Sure, but none so grossly disproportionately or directly benefiting as Israel. Don't ignore the fact Israel has the strongest lobby in the world sitting right in the middle of the US government in the AIPAC Lobby. While what you write is true to some degree it doesn't nearly represent an accurate reflection of the hugely disproportionate influence and benefit Israel accrues from this relationship. Recently the president announced Israel and the US's interests are one in the same.

Nuclear proliferation was the name of the game in those days. Remember the song by Tom Lehrer? The Treaty was brought in to effect in 1968 to deal with that very issue. It looks like Japan has been engaged in illegal enrichment for nuclear weapons for some time, how long ? and we only found that out because of the earthquake and tidal wave. And the media is still not talking about that. And when was the last time the US arsenal was inspected? And by whom? The whole nuclear industry with their peaceful atoms and their pretence at safety and control is a sham in all sorts of ways and not just restricted to Israel. Israel's programme was started and achieved what they wanted before JFK was even president. Fait acomplis. No need for more.

Forgive me Magda, but this doesn't accurately cover the ongoing impasse Kennedy's ban represented or how Israel was in the process of fabricating those weapons at the time. There are serious imperatives and junctures your overview neglects. You should read Piper. Angleton was busy undermining Kennedy's power by supplying Israel with blueprints and materials behind his back. Angleton was a zionist and CIA liaison to Israel. In effect the powers that killed Kennedy were using the CIA to subvert the democratic process and therefore gain power for themselves. And don't think Lansky, Ben Gurion and Mossad were not aware of this. Israel was a key conscious facilitator and benefactor of this conscious re-ordering of the American government power structure in the fascist direction.

Indeed he did. But there is also some confusion about what Israel is with some people. Sure Israel exhibits all the traits of 19th century romantic Nationalism from which it sprang. As did Italy and Germany and others. Certainly for some there is the usual nationalistic clap trap, homeland, flag, blood, mythic history etc. And certainly there are some Israelis and Jews (they are not the same by a long shot) who harbour a typical colonial vision of a greater Israel for either religious or political territorial growth. But Israel is not just a Jewish thing. It is above all a European creation. It was on the books in the late 19th century in all the colonial powers foreign desks. It would solve Europe's problem of these unwelcome troublesome immigrants if they could be removed elsewhere. This became especially so after the recent embarrassing excess of the Germans and was supported by people of good hearts as well as cold ones for different reasons. But it was not for this reason alone that the creation of Israel was decided on by Europe. Far more important was the opportunity to have a European outpost in the middle of the Arab world. Strategic for all sorts of reasons. Oh, and the oil. And the canal. The last thing Europe wanted was a unified independent Pan Arabia. It is a huge and valuable area. Far to valuable for the natives to run it for them selves. As long as Israel is where it is there will be disunity in the Middle east. The Israel project will get all the funding it needs to keep going until it has outlived its usefulness and then it wont. Too many people beside some Israelis and some Zionist dreamers have an investment in that. For now.

A lengthy explanation that doesn't really change anything Mark said, in my opinion. In the end none of those comparisons come close to the grotesque relationship Israel currently has with the US. As Piper points out, the epicenter and origin of all this was the Kennedy assassination. There's no argument Israel was, and continues to be, the biggest benefactor from the assassination.

But there was billions of dollars in foreign and military aid spent in all sorts of ways in all sorts of places all over the world. Not just Israel. Because there was an red under every bed in those days. Freedom had to be defended. Communists destroyed. Al Qaida came later. It's been boom times since 1963 for some.

Nothing comes close in proportion, nor do any of those other recipients enjoy the massive influence and relationship Israel does upon the US government and its war force.

There were a lot of things that Kennedy would not have gone along with which is why he was removed. Palestinians the least of it. Invasion of Cuba. US military involvement in war in Vietnam. Over throw of Allende had he been around. And the mass murders in Indonesia. But it probably never would have got to that because they got to him first.

But there's still a logarithm here that signals back through Piper's network. If you examine Piper's information and arguments, if you follow the money, none of those other causes had the influence or power that the Israel-controlled Mediterranean network had. CIA tends to seek these willing collaborators and shadow powers in which to hide its maneuvers. They had that in Israel in vast proportion. If you look for an unquestionable cause and politically-untouchable power you'll most likely find CIA's bloody footprints behind their curtains. The Lansky-based US syndicate was such a power with its zionist financial leaders, as was Angleton and his CIA/Mossad bond. None of those other right-wing causes had such a powerful network behind it so closely related to covert US powers.

I know Israel all too well. It is insane and divided against itself and unlikely to survive in its current form for a variety of reason including its own internal contradictions.

The perpetual threat to survival being the justification of that which makes sure it survives.

The government of Cuba and the USSR/Russia were never seriously considered as sponsors. Even by the people who put them forward as such who put them forward as such to further their own various agenda. Eg. LBJ, Warren, Hoover, JCS etc. While individual Cubans or Soviets may have been involved in the events of the assassination it had nothing to do with Cuba or the USSR and those countries clearly had nothing to gain by such an action. Same goes for Jews and Israelis though Israel may have had a bone or two thrown its way it wasn't a thank you for any work (not) done just self interest. The dog still wags the tail.

A bone or two thrown its way??? Israel receives unquestioned massive funding and never loses a political decision from the US government. It brags about being in control of the US government and enjoys the most powerful lobby in history occupying a main position of control within that government. It now has the US government fighting a war crime-induced war for regional control in the Middle East. So, yes, while this could still be an act of self-interest by those really in control, remember that what the tail is doing is a good indicator of how that dog feels and its intentions. I think Israel pretends to be no different than anybody else just like the US Military Industrial Complex pretends to be just defending itself like anyone else. And, yes, pretends to be a JFK Assassination facilitator just like any of the other facilitators...