12-08-2012, 11:57 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2012, 06:01 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Wow, Mark, you are way out 'there'.....and at times Ed too. American Police are being militarized - the whole nation is....but to claim that Israel is only Zionists and that Israel and their friends in the USA and elsewhere are the ultimate evil and ultimate power in the World is more than a bit paranoid, IMO. Get a grip on reality. There are evildoers in many nations and some of them are working in concert. Many, in fact most, of them are NOT Zionists. You are over the top, as Magda has pointed out.
Yeah right. Next you'll tell me Bin Laden planned 9/11.
No. And while the Secret Government in the USA was behind it [with other subordinate partners: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UK, Israel, and likely several others]; your focus/fixation on Israel as controlling the USA power structure is very odd. Yes, they have disproportionate influence, but it is, IMO, because of their geopolitical location/importance as the moored 'aircraft carrier' for the USA in the midst of all that OIL - and not the other way around. There seems also to be a touch of antisemitism in your remarks. PeaceNow in Israel has many adherents; granted they have little voice or viability - as the equivalent in the USA, UK, or OZ. Do I see some Israelis who were likely complicit in 911 - and/or had foreknowlege? Yes. Do I see 911 as an Israeli or Mossad-run operation? No! It was run out of the 'beltway' and American neo-fascist structure....and the cover-up lies there, as well. Were some Israeli companies and intelligence assets/agencies involved? Yes! Were they in control? No! Were some American neocons using Israeli cut-outs and companies to do dirty deeds for them? Yes. Did they [the American fascists] loose control? No! Were some Israeli-initiated intelligence actions against Americans and America sometimes run without universal American intelligence permission? Seems like some have been - mainly in cleverly gathering electronic communications. However, it seems to suit your world view to see Israel as omnipotent; but where is the evidence? I find it missing - or highly flawed, IMHO.
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