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Bill Kelly Wrote:Maggie said that the revolution only leads to death and destruction but she fails to realize that ALL of the revolutions now going on in North Africa and Middle East began as peaceful protests seeking reform, and only turned violent and demanding of regime change AFTER they were violently repressed.
And in the case of Syria, Libya and Tunisia after the use of foreign mercenaries to cause violence and chaos so that the government would be forced to step in and repress the violence and chaos to protect the people from the violence and chaos.....and so it goes.

Bill Kelly Wrote:Rumsfeld has been put out to pasture but certainly the CIA, USA as well as Al Qada and Muslem Brotherhood want to control the chaos, but the bottom line is - it is a popular uprising, a democratic revolution that the CIA didn't expect or spark.
Rumsfeld may be gone but the neo-con ideology lives on and on in the hearts of many in the State Department and the Pentagon. It may have started as a popular uprising but it has long been taken over by others who do not have the welfare of the people at heart and are just using the opportunity to impose their own dictatorship/theocracy on the people.

Bill Kelly Wrote:Syria especially was a repressive police state where journalists couldn't operate until over a year after the revolution began.
Quite ironic when the US is using all means to get Assange's head on a platter for reporting the news of what the US war machine is doing. To the extent that he has had to seek out and just received asylum in a safe country where his human rights and safety from political persecution will be protected because they cannot be guaranteed by the US, Australia , Sweden or the UK, supposedly all bastions of civilisation.

Bill Kelly Wrote:You really believe that USA CIA had "Sleeper Cells" in Syria and they responsible?
Why not? They usually have half the key military officers and government minister on the pay roll of all sorts of countries and the stay behind network is well established. But even if they don't have it on the ground it can always be imported from outside as they have done any way.

Bill Kelly Wrote:You really think that the "narrative" about the evil dictator is fiction?
And do you really believe that the "narrative" about the civilised west is true? For me the world is far less black and white but many shades of grey with occasional rainbows.

Bill Kelly Wrote:You don't believe that the Syrian police state cruelly abused children and teenagers who wrote graffiti, which sparked the revolt?
Yes I do. And I also know that the US used the Assad government to outsource their torture programme on various renditioned kidnapped victims.

Bill Kelly Wrote:It isn't the Mainstream message vs. the Police State Propaganda, it is the attempt to determine the truth that should be the goal
But that's not happening any where in the west. Truth is the first casualty as they say. And we could ask "Whose truth?"

Bill Kelly Wrote:....and the truth that can't be denied is that Assad is a tyrant, a dictator and a mass murder whose forces tortured children...
And what does that make Obomber? Incinerator of children from on high? Destroyer of wedding parties? The man for where the buck stops for the disappeared and rendered of the not so secret American gulag archipeligo?

Bill Kelly Wrote:....and you want to check with the CIA and NATO to see whose side they are on so you can be on the other side?
We know NATO and the CIA are always on the dark side. We don't want to be on that side.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Tunisia - by Ed Jewett - 12-08-2012, 05:35 AM
Tunisia - by Danny Jarman - 12-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 04:05 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 16-08-2012, 04:08 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 04:18 AM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 16-08-2012, 04:49 AM
Tunisia - by Keith Millea - 16-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 16-08-2012, 10:08 PM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 16-08-2012, 11:40 PM
Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 17-08-2012, 05:43 AM
Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 17-08-2012, 06:06 AM
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Tunisia - by Lauren Johnson - 17-08-2012, 05:29 PM
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Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 18-08-2012, 12:38 AM
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Tunisia - by Magda Hassan - 18-08-2012, 01:28 AM
Tunisia - by Bill Kelly - 18-08-2012, 01:48 AM
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