24-09-2012, 12:00 AM
Magda Hassan Wrote:What you are saying makes no sense Bill. On the one hand you are saying the US government and corporations (is there a difference these days?) need stability. I suppose that is why the US is supplying arms and equipment to maintain the stability in Bahrain, home of the 5 fleet, for the billionaire family of sheiks there? Libya and Syria were all stable before. But why did the US and others fund and supply arms to the small number of rebels there? Then when that didn't work because no one really wanted to join the 'uprising' they sent in NATO to force the matter? So much for stability. Now it is unstable. Have you read 'Shock Doctrine' by Naomi Klein Bill? Do you know about the Strategy of Tension? What you say also flies in the face of historical fact. The US has destabilised almost every country that would not do their bidding or tow the Washington consensus and replaced them with some one who would. Iran, Australia, Italy, All of South and Central America, Congo. The list goes on and on and on.
Why would the banks and big oil companies, who already OWN the DICTATORS want to depose them and create chaos?
How does that not make sense?
Certainly the USA did not encourage the revolutions that have deposed their pals Ali, Mubarak and Gadhafi and they continue to support the dictator of Bahrain because the 5th Fleet is stationed there on a base that he provides for them.
The policy of the US government, as it was changed significantly by Chris Stevens when he suggested the USA support the Libyan rebels, must also support the people of Bahrain and their attempts to peacefully protest the government and bring about real political and economic changes in that small, but strategically placed country. The USA should get out of Bahrain if the reforms are not instituted, and the USA should support the revolutions there and restore the Freedom Roundabout Statute that came to represent the freedom that people sought there. The USA should also support the efforts of Saudi Arabian and Kuatai citiesens to obtain their rights, especially the women and young people of those countries.
What flies in the face of historical fact is that the USA is forced to bring the Marines to North Africa not for oil or NATO or dictators, but to fight to protect their ambassador and for liberty, freedom and justice, the same things they fought for 200 years ago.
My thinking makes sense, it is you who supports the dictators and tyrants of those countries and blames the USA for overthrowing and supporting dictators. You seem to be reserve your judgement - to see what side the USA is on before you chose the other side, even if it they are dictators and tyrants.
You seemed to take some joy in the assassination of Chris Stevens as a payback for Stevens' murder of Gadhafi, however wharped that opinion is - that attack has now brought the radical islamics into the open and now they will be revealed for what they really are.
What I'd like to know is why the Muslems got upset over Rushdie's book, the Dutch cartoon and the silly movie, but voiced no outrage when Gadhafi totally destroyed the Mosque in Xintan, and more recently bulldosed the Sufi mosque in Tripoli? Aren't mosques more sacred then word and images?
And where was the outrage when the producer of the "Innocence of Muslums" movie was revealed to have been born in Egypt?
I'm not the one with faulty logic, my standards are straight - a dictator is a tyrant and they are all bad, but others ask whether they are Sunni or Sufi or whatever, or whether the USA supports them before they decide what's good or bad.
I know BAD when I see it, and I know GOOD when I see it, and the overthrow of the dictators in North Africa and the Middle East by Arab democratic revolutionaries is a GOOD thing, and Chris Stevens was a GOOD guy, and recognised as such by the overwhelming majority of Libyans.
As the chief clerk of the militia that killed Chris Stevens said, "Islam is not compatible with democracy," and that's because the religious fueled dictator lose their power and wealth and the people assume the responsibility for their own lives.
The uncertainty of life after the revolution is better than the certainty and security of life under tyranny.
Bill Kelly
Revolutionary Program
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