19-10-2012, 08:08 AM
Albert Doyle Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:
NO! [size=12]Do some homework. All tests have shown that there was almost NO combustible materials in the dust - what had been combustible had been consumed prior to / during the explosions and pyroclastic cloud formation. Second, there was little oxygen to feed any combustion and lots of water and special foams sprayed on by the fire department. The high temperatures and the continued temperatures for many months high enough to keep steel molten are nothing short of suspicious and the smoking gun. Your making up scenarios to fit a pre-determined outcome, rather than taking the evidence as it is and the science as it is. JO does much the same - all 911 Deniers do....they have to....the facts and evidence - even the laws of physics, chemistry and logic are not on their side.
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There's something that isn't right here. A volcanic pyroclastic flow is something that incinerates that which it covers. I saw plenty of firemen and other civilians who got pretty covered in dust but they weren't burnt. Sorry, Peter but I think you're getting slightly carried away here. You might be conflating the concept of concrete dust and shredded combustible materials. Also, I'm not entirely satisfied that you know the oxygen venting pattern from the underground pavilion tunnels under the WTC Plaza. Your information is suspect because I watched coverage of the pile and at no point was it covered in foam. Not even nearly. The water could enter the drainage pattern of the pile and be shunted away from the burning parts. Sorry, but I think you're exaggerating.
WTC 7 is more curious. I'd like the person who said "It will either fall on its own or be taken down" interrogated to hear where they got that from? There seems to be a matter of when the alleged WTC 7 charges were placed and how they knew the building would be damaged and catch fire?
Did you notice they put no time comparison on the loud boom witnessing? Maybe it was a transformer?
I've seen videos of thermite packs burning. It burns with a bright sparkler-like flame. And I would bet it makes a distinct smell too. Something I don't think would be missed by the fire-science trained witnesses focused on the Towers.
Also, did you notice the video makes a claim of captured explosive booms but then ends with an explanation of how thermite cutter charges were used. Well, which was it?
By the way, what was the explanation for the south Tower collapsing first out of sequence?
This was obviously not a volcanic pyroclastic flow and not as hot as that, although many witnesses spoke of feeling the heat behind them as they ran away. This was a different pyroclastic flow with the fine particles [odd in and of itself!] having been somewhat cooled as they flowed out. It is the liquid-like flow of the ash cloud that determines it as pyroclastic; just look at the videos! It was THICK and flowing like a liquid. Thermite/thermate, actually nanothermate residue and even some small amounts of unreacted nanothermate HAVE been found in several studies and examination of the dust/ash from various locations. No other explanation for the metal spheres, X-ray spectrography signature nor chemical composition has been found and I don't think any other is possible. You again seem to be grasping at straws and endlessly changing the topic...now you ask why the S. tower collapsed first. I think I know, but that has nothing to do with what we are taking about. The few passageways under the towers were clogged by debris [beams and the few bottom floors that didn't turn to dust] plus the dust - and were not reported by anyone as windy and feeding any large fires - what was burnable, burnt off in the first FEW DAYS or LESS!; but even IF they were [and they were not!] there was little to nothing left to burn and nothing ever in the building - not even the jet fuel which burned off in the first ten minutes could reach temperatures high enough to melt steel and even titanium!....methinks you are grasping at straws so that controlled demolition is something you don't have to face....because you and so many others fear what that implies...face it...or America remains 'dead' - as it is today - taken over in the coup of 911 for endless wars, removal of freedoms at home, and the rapid build-up of a police state.....almost consolidated today. Face the truth of 911 [or JFK's Assassination] and you can begin to recover the corpse of our democracy and polity. Ignore them or buy the big LIES the official versions are and you are but a controlled tool for those who are pulling the strings of the magic shows.
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