Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[David Josephs]

Just a few quick notes

I found Piper's book on-line
I also found the actual memos/correspondence between all the parties from the time period - one would have thought that more of these documents - which detail in the words of those attending - would have made it to the book... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...fktoc.html

Maybe you could do us all a favor - Albert or Mark - since you know the book so well....
Please direct us to the sections in the book that YOU believe supports the conclusion of the book....

Albert - you wrote this earlier on in this thread: what did you mean?

(Although I totally agree on a Deep Political basis that Israel was probably made a false sponsor by the real sponsors)

All I can find are connections and coincidences in that book... I've tried to find where he ties them together other than simply making the case that they occupied the same planet at the same time and had dealings with each other...

There is even an entire chapter dedicated to the claim that since the Mossad was planning to kill GHW Bush in 1991, they certainly COULd have killed or been involved in the assassination of JFK...

He proves NOTHING in the chapter about JFK's "secret war with Israel"... at a time when he is trying to broker peace in the Middle East he would HAVE to talk with both sides, no?
Then he quotes Meir, yet only partly and out of context...

Here is the memo from their meeting: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou..._62-2.html

the word "nuclear" appears twice and it sure appears to me that there was not secret war going on:
This country is really interested in Israel, the President said, as he is personally. We are interested that Israel should keep up its sensitive, tremendous, historic task. What we want from Israel arises because our relationship is a two-way street. Israel's security in the long run depends in part on what it does with the Arabs, but also on us. He would hope, for example, that Israel would give consideration to our problems on this atomic reactor. We are opposed to nuclear proliferation. Our interest here is not in prying into Israel's affairs but we have to be concerned because of the over-all situation in the Middle East.

Mrs. Meir reassured the President that there would not be any difficulty between us on the Israeli nuclear reactor. She also said she wanted to suggest that at least the first one or two talks in the new round of US-Israeli discussions about the refugees should be held in Israel. This would permit participation in the talks by the Prime Minister who could bring to them his full authority. How helpful it would be, she went on, if only the Arabs would agree to follow the President's proposals on refugees. Indeed, it might be helpful if there were a possibility of getting Israeli representatives together with Egyptian leaders for talks which could be held anywhere, just to have direct discussions about their common problems. We could be sure that the Israelis would not be the ones to reveal publicly any private talks

He talks about Mike Feldman.... and JFK's attempt to talk peace with Arab nations:
Piper sure does lay a foundation for JFK and his secret war with Israel.... ???

By stating that since JFK was putting the USA before Israel in the Middle East - which, as the SuperPower behind Israel against the SuperPower of Russia behind many of the Arab states is not too hard a thing to understand - Piper is jumping to the conclusion that THIS ACTION was yet another brick in the wall of the Mossad's involvement.

If this is the level of evidence and support that permeates the book - and I have jumped from chapter to chapter hoping to find SOMETHING of significance that supports any of Piper's conclusions & I have yet to come across any, then why spend time reading and analyzing? The first things I checked on came up wrong... his conclusions are cherry-picked and poorly sourced...

But I am sure you both will help us out and show us.

So please... if you can, cite the passages in Piper's book that shows YOU he's made his case.... that this mixture of people and organziations was responsible for JFK's assassination.
I will gladly find them and post them... so we ALL can discuss the SAME THING from the SAME PLACE... K?

There are a lot of accusations and assumed connections... but there is no MEAT boys... Where's the BEEF?
DJ

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Thus, it was that upon assuming office, Kennedy made positive
attempts to contact Arab heads of state asking how the U.S. could help each
country in its individual disputes with Israel.
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It was during that meeting that Kennedy actually went so far as to
emphasize American support for Israel, probably the farthest that any
American president had gone since Israel was first established.
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Thus it was that John F. Kennedy informed Israel, in no uncertain
terms, that he intendedfirst and foremostto place America's
interestsnot Israel's interestsat the center of U.S. Middle East policy.
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