23-10-2012, 05:55 PM
"I'm" looking sillier? :flypig:
The information is out there... people can read it and decide for themselves....
Seems you need to do an awful lot of convincing just to get your point across because the source info is so vague and ambiguous..
Israel was going to develop mukes regardless of what JFK was saying... they were already developing them with a France who wanted to hide the fact
JFK was pushing a PEACE agenda... which required Israel's cooperation - Israel building nukes did NOT require the USA's cooperation.
BG LIED HIS A$$ OFF while expecting the USA to be at their beckon call, to defend and protect, to supply and strengthen... and then when caught at it, called on it you claim THAT is was precipitated the assassination? - some ally.
Your overstatement of the actual situation in support of Piper's conclusions is the silly part here Mark.
Please consider some alternate points of view that do not include Israeli involvement at all...
If you want to spout rhetoric... deal with these FACTS... and connect the dots
DJ
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....opic=16780
Oddly enough, Permindex was incorporated in Basle in 1956, the same year when Ferenc Nagy travelled to Germany and Switzerland on the eve of the Hungarian uprising. It is certainly not by pure chance that Nagy, Wisner CIA's asset, choose this busy period of his life to become one of Permindex's directors. In all evidence, Nagy proximity with the CIA and the fact that at the same time he associated with Permindex is enough to let us conclude that Permindex was related to Wisner's anti-Communist crusade, in as much that it was directed by Nagy, one of CIA's important collaborators in its anti-Soviet operations. Also, the facts that the Italian Gladio network was revealed to be coupled with the P2 freemasonic lodge and that Bloomfield described Permindex's George Mantello as a 33rd degree Freemason, tend to indicate that Permindex may be intricated with the CIA's Italian Gladio network.
There are fantastic links to background data on this thread leading to this presentation of info from Terry Mauro.. seems they use the same sources yet come to a completely different conclusion... one not as sexy and contraversial as ISRAEL DID IT - and one that wouldn't sell as many books.... yet supportable conclusions none the less...
Are you comfortable with the thought that these JEWS were in bed with the NAZI's, Communists and Facists. You/Piper believes that Israeli's and Nazis would team up to kill JFK? Or did Bloomfield just not know about the Nazi's and the Facists of Italy....
EDIT: btw - Gladio is mentioned 54 times in the following article... the term GLADIO does not appear in Piper's book.
Interesting how this important CIA backed group to fight communism - a group of KILLERS/SPIES/MILITARY - is conveniently ommitted from Piper's examination of the situation...
The origin of Gladio can be traced to the so-called "secret anti-Communist NATO protocols", which were allegedly protocols committing the secret services of NATO member states to work to prevent communist parties from coming to power in Western Europe. According to the Italian researcher Mario Coglitore, the protocols required member states to guarantee alignment with the Western block "by any means".[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]citation needed[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] According to US journalist Arthur Rowse, a secret clause exists in the North Atlantic Treaty requiring candidate countries, before joining NATO, to establish clandestine citizen cadres standing ready to eliminate communist cells during any national emergency. These clandestine cadres were to be controlled by the country's respective security services.[SUP][4[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/32...rince.html
Permindex was
chaired by Canada's Bloomfield, while its international arm, CMC, was based in
Rome, and Clay Shaw's firm in New Orleans, International Trade Mart, was a
subsidiary of Permindex/CMC. According to documents released through the Freedom
of Information Act (FOIA), OSS veteran Shaw worked for the CIA, as well. There
was ample evidence of Shaw's involvement in the assassination, for which he was
indicted by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Notably, one of the
names found in Shaw's personal phone book was that of Princess Marcella
Borghese, a member of the Black Prince's family. And one of the lower-level
figures in the ambit of the plot, Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby (who
assassinated patsy Lee Harvey Oswald), charged repeatedly in letters from jail,
that "the Nazis and the Fascists were behind the Kennedy murder." According to
the highly credible Torbitt manuscript, "Ruby was much more knowledgeable about
the conspiracy than most."
Huge
financial resources flowed through Permindex/CMC for no commercial purpose. Some
of these funds, at least, were provided through banks which had earlier financed
the Nazis, including one intimately associated with Allen Dulles from the time
of his 1930s work with Nazi cartels, through to his 1953-61 stint as CIA chief.
Some hints of where the money was going could be found in French and Italian
press reports that CMC official Ferenc Nagy, the fiercely anti-communist former
Prime Minister of Hungary, was financing Jacques Soustelle and the OAS, along
with other European fascist movements; or in New Orleans District Attorney
Garrison's observation about "Shaw's secret life as an Agency [CIA] man trying
to bring Fascism back to Italy."[6]
NATO units
were also involved in at least some of the numerous assassination attempts on
France's President Charles de Gaulle in 1962-63, which was no doubt a factor in
de Gaulle's withdrawing France from NATO's military command in 1966. France,
after all, had been a key target of NATO's "Operation Demagnetize" in the 1950s,
and the "anti-communist," bitterly anti-de Gaulle OAS operatives like Guerin
Serac, were natural partners of NATO. Adm. Pierre Lacoste, director of the
France's military secret service DGSE (1982-85), admitted after Andreotti had
exposed Gladio's existence in 1990, that some "terrorist actions" against de
Gaulle and his plans to liberate Algeria were carried out by groups involving "a
limited number of people" from the French Gladio organization!
A five-year
investigation by France's SDECE intelligence agency of a 1962 assassination plot
against de Gaulle found that the assassination had been planned in the Brussels
headquarters of NATO by a specific group of British and French generals, who
employed former fascists for the planned wetwork.
[6] When the CMC first started up in Rome, its chief public figure, the pro-fascist former Prime Minister of Hungary, Ferenc Nagy, announced that it had major financial backing, including from J. Henry Schroder Bank and the Seligman Bank in Basel. The Seligman Bank was a large stockholder of the CMC, and its principal, Hans Seligman, sat on the boards of both the CMC and Permindex. With J. Henry Schroder, Nagy had spilled the beans on a most sensitive institution, and the bank was quick to deny his claim. J. Henry Schroder Bank had been intimately involved in the Dulles/Nazi financial deals from the 1930s, and, as CIA chief, Dulles maintained $50 million in "contingency funds" at Schroder under his sole control. See William F. Wertz, Jr., "The Plot Against FDR: A Model for Bush's Pinochet Plan Today," EIR, Jan. 21, 2005.
For further details on Permindex/CMC, including its finances, see a January 1970 manuscript by William Torbitt; New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's book, On the Trail of the Assassins; and the account in the 1992 edition of the book, Dope, Inc.: The Book That Drove Kissinger Crazy, by the authors of Executive Intelligence Review. EIR maintained a close relationship with Garrison until his death in 1992. The Italian left-wing daily Paese Sera also ran a series on CMC/Permindex in March 1967, exposing it as a shell for huge sums of money that had nothing to do with "commerce," naming some of its elite banking connections, and profiling its board members as Anglo-American intelligence-connected ex-Fascists and fanatical right-wingers. Earlier scandals regarding CMC/Permindex had caused an uproar in Parliament and elsewhere, which forced CMC/Permindex to leave Rome for Johannesburg in 1962, the year before the entity orchestrated the Kennedy assassination. Garrison observed that the Italian government had expelled CMC/Permindex for "subversive intelligence activity."
The information is out there... people can read it and decide for themselves....
Seems you need to do an awful lot of convincing just to get your point across because the source info is so vague and ambiguous..
Israel was going to develop mukes regardless of what JFK was saying... they were already developing them with a France who wanted to hide the fact
JFK was pushing a PEACE agenda... which required Israel's cooperation - Israel building nukes did NOT require the USA's cooperation.
BG LIED HIS A$$ OFF while expecting the USA to be at their beckon call, to defend and protect, to supply and strengthen... and then when caught at it, called on it you claim THAT is was precipitated the assassination? - some ally.
Your overstatement of the actual situation in support of Piper's conclusions is the silly part here Mark.
Please consider some alternate points of view that do not include Israeli involvement at all...
If you want to spout rhetoric... deal with these FACTS... and connect the dots
DJ
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....opic=16780
Oddly enough, Permindex was incorporated in Basle in 1956, the same year when Ferenc Nagy travelled to Germany and Switzerland on the eve of the Hungarian uprising. It is certainly not by pure chance that Nagy, Wisner CIA's asset, choose this busy period of his life to become one of Permindex's directors. In all evidence, Nagy proximity with the CIA and the fact that at the same time he associated with Permindex is enough to let us conclude that Permindex was related to Wisner's anti-Communist crusade, in as much that it was directed by Nagy, one of CIA's important collaborators in its anti-Soviet operations. Also, the facts that the Italian Gladio network was revealed to be coupled with the P2 freemasonic lodge and that Bloomfield described Permindex's George Mantello as a 33rd degree Freemason, tend to indicate that Permindex may be intricated with the CIA's Italian Gladio network.
There are fantastic links to background data on this thread leading to this presentation of info from Terry Mauro.. seems they use the same sources yet come to a completely different conclusion... one not as sexy and contraversial as ISRAEL DID IT - and one that wouldn't sell as many books.... yet supportable conclusions none the less...
Are you comfortable with the thought that these JEWS were in bed with the NAZI's, Communists and Facists. You/Piper believes that Israeli's and Nazis would team up to kill JFK? Or did Bloomfield just not know about the Nazi's and the Facists of Italy....
EDIT: btw - Gladio is mentioned 54 times in the following article... the term GLADIO does not appear in Piper's book.
Interesting how this important CIA backed group to fight communism - a group of KILLERS/SPIES/MILITARY - is conveniently ommitted from Piper's examination of the situation...
The origin of Gladio can be traced to the so-called "secret anti-Communist NATO protocols", which were allegedly protocols committing the secret services of NATO member states to work to prevent communist parties from coming to power in Western Europe. According to the Italian researcher Mario Coglitore, the protocols required member states to guarantee alignment with the Western block "by any means".[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]citation needed[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] According to US journalist Arthur Rowse, a secret clause exists in the North Atlantic Treaty requiring candidate countries, before joining NATO, to establish clandestine citizen cadres standing ready to eliminate communist cells during any national emergency. These clandestine cadres were to be controlled by the country's respective security services.[SUP][4[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/32...rince.html
Permindex was
chaired by Canada's Bloomfield, while its international arm, CMC, was based in
Rome, and Clay Shaw's firm in New Orleans, International Trade Mart, was a
subsidiary of Permindex/CMC. According to documents released through the Freedom
of Information Act (FOIA), OSS veteran Shaw worked for the CIA, as well. There
was ample evidence of Shaw's involvement in the assassination, for which he was
indicted by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Notably, one of the
names found in Shaw's personal phone book was that of Princess Marcella
Borghese, a member of the Black Prince's family. And one of the lower-level
figures in the ambit of the plot, Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby (who
assassinated patsy Lee Harvey Oswald), charged repeatedly in letters from jail,
that "the Nazis and the Fascists were behind the Kennedy murder." According to
the highly credible Torbitt manuscript, "Ruby was much more knowledgeable about
the conspiracy than most."
Huge
financial resources flowed through Permindex/CMC for no commercial purpose. Some
of these funds, at least, were provided through banks which had earlier financed
the Nazis, including one intimately associated with Allen Dulles from the time
of his 1930s work with Nazi cartels, through to his 1953-61 stint as CIA chief.
Some hints of where the money was going could be found in French and Italian
press reports that CMC official Ferenc Nagy, the fiercely anti-communist former
Prime Minister of Hungary, was financing Jacques Soustelle and the OAS, along
with other European fascist movements; or in New Orleans District Attorney
Garrison's observation about "Shaw's secret life as an Agency [CIA] man trying
to bring Fascism back to Italy."[6]
NATO units
were also involved in at least some of the numerous assassination attempts on
France's President Charles de Gaulle in 1962-63, which was no doubt a factor in
de Gaulle's withdrawing France from NATO's military command in 1966. France,
after all, had been a key target of NATO's "Operation Demagnetize" in the 1950s,
and the "anti-communist," bitterly anti-de Gaulle OAS operatives like Guerin
Serac, were natural partners of NATO. Adm. Pierre Lacoste, director of the
France's military secret service DGSE (1982-85), admitted after Andreotti had
exposed Gladio's existence in 1990, that some "terrorist actions" against de
Gaulle and his plans to liberate Algeria were carried out by groups involving "a
limited number of people" from the French Gladio organization!
A five-year
investigation by France's SDECE intelligence agency of a 1962 assassination plot
against de Gaulle found that the assassination had been planned in the Brussels
headquarters of NATO by a specific group of British and French generals, who
employed former fascists for the planned wetwork.
[6] When the CMC first started up in Rome, its chief public figure, the pro-fascist former Prime Minister of Hungary, Ferenc Nagy, announced that it had major financial backing, including from J. Henry Schroder Bank and the Seligman Bank in Basel. The Seligman Bank was a large stockholder of the CMC, and its principal, Hans Seligman, sat on the boards of both the CMC and Permindex. With J. Henry Schroder, Nagy had spilled the beans on a most sensitive institution, and the bank was quick to deny his claim. J. Henry Schroder Bank had been intimately involved in the Dulles/Nazi financial deals from the 1930s, and, as CIA chief, Dulles maintained $50 million in "contingency funds" at Schroder under his sole control. See William F. Wertz, Jr., "The Plot Against FDR: A Model for Bush's Pinochet Plan Today," EIR, Jan. 21, 2005.
For further details on Permindex/CMC, including its finances, see a January 1970 manuscript by William Torbitt; New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's book, On the Trail of the Assassins; and the account in the 1992 edition of the book, Dope, Inc.: The Book That Drove Kissinger Crazy, by the authors of Executive Intelligence Review. EIR maintained a close relationship with Garrison until his death in 1992. The Italian left-wing daily Paese Sera also ran a series on CMC/Permindex in March 1967, exposing it as a shell for huge sums of money that had nothing to do with "commerce," naming some of its elite banking connections, and profiling its board members as Anglo-American intelligence-connected ex-Fascists and fanatical right-wingers. Earlier scandals regarding CMC/Permindex had caused an uproar in Parliament and elsewhere, which forced CMC/Permindex to leave Rome for Johannesburg in 1962, the year before the entity orchestrated the Kennedy assassination. Garrison observed that the Italian government had expelled CMC/Permindex for "subversive intelligence activity."