Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

"I'm" looking sillier? :flypig:

The information is out there... people can read it and decide for themselves....

Seems you need to do an awful lot of convincing just to get your point across because the source info is so vague and ambiguous..

Israel was going to develop mukes regardless of what JFK was saying... they were already developing them with a France who wanted to hide the fact
JFK was pushing a PEACE agenda... which required Israel's cooperation - Israel building nukes did NOT require the USA's cooperation.
BG LIED HIS A$$ OFF while expecting the USA to be at their beckon call, to defend and protect, to supply and strengthen... and then when caught at it, called on it you claim THAT is was precipitated the assassination? - some ally.

Your overstatement of the actual situation in support of Piper's conclusions is the silly part here Mark.

Please consider some alternate points of view that do not include Israeli involvement at all...

If you want to spout rhetoric... deal with these FACTS... and connect the dots
DJ

David pretends that the funding issue wasn't involved or that America, as is true today, wasn't the single-most important benefactor of Israel and that possible sanctions or restrictions weren't a factor. David also pretends that the movement towards detente and world peace evidenced in Douglass' The Unspeakable wasn't a factor. And that Kennedy couldn't have leveraged this movement in relation to Israel's development of nuclear weapons or made them look bad for being the nation that refused to participate in this movement.

Ask David to explain where the documentation would be for Kennedy threatening the CIA/Tibor Rosenbaum underground funding source in both JFK's moves towards the CIA and RFK's moves towards the US mob? There's more to this, and its relation to Ben-Gurion's statement that JFK threatened the future existence of Israel, than David's sincerely-offered sources present. It's why Piper's book is important.

David's facile equivocations in regard to France and Israel's intentions are just offhand evasive rubbish and silly. To say Israel did not depend on the US for nuclear development ignores Angleton's supplying of nuclear development materials, Israel's dependence on US power for its existence, the Mediterranean network financed by Rosenbaum's mafia money laundry Swiss bank, and ultimately the source of Ben-Gurion's strife (that David denies). These things have to be tied together to give an honest rendering of the situation, as well as Echevarria's comments.