Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

The FACT of the matter is JFK had little if any effect on developing Israel's Dimona reactor because Israel felt that their needs were more important than the needs of the world/region/allies... THAT is plain to see from what has been posted...

"Last Word" is something apropos here considering the correct order of things.


David's semantic discussion is the obvious dodge of the relevant questions it is. No matter what excuses he makes for it it's kind of obvious he can't answer the questions so he offers his usual filibustering load of rubbish in its stead.


What David is seriously offering here is a Bugs Bunny-like schmoozing that, despite all the credible evidence that has been shown, and how it fits like a glove to Piper's assertions, the over-arching idea that "Israel was going to have nuclear weapons anyway" is an adequate response. As you can see he is forced to offer that nonsense only because he needs to contemptuously avoid the operative scenario he obviously can't answer or recognize. As well as Piper's accurate description of it.


What David writes above is dishonest because Ben-Gurion's reaction by having a nervous breakdown shows how much influence Kennedy actually did have. Ben-Gurion was forced out of office because of it.

By June of 1963 Dimona was in full operation - JFK was not having the least bit of an effect on the producing of a nuclear weapon all the while BG is lying to its closest ally and friend IN THE WORLD...
but that charade could not be why BG breaks down... or the idea that if it became known to the US, the US would expose the lie and create all sorts of havoc in the middle east by the hands of BG, not JFK.

Utter mendacious rubbish designed to get around the truth. What David is really saying here in his backward, indirectly dishonest way, and by means of rogue travesty, is that Kennedy sensed that Israel had become an international liability because of that unilateral zealotry. He was also savvy enough to know how the CIA he was trying to control was involved in that process. David, of course, will ask for precise documentation of this obvious situation.

What's clear here is that JFK was setting-up a situation where Israel would be forced to chip in its part in the nuclear detente and show its good will by not developing nuclear weapons. David is clearly dishonest because if Israel was as comfortable and confident with its nuclear program as he suggests then it wouldn't have gone to the lengths it did like building an entire false facility and bricking over the elevator. Nor would Ben-Gurion have reacted so extremely with a nervous breakdown. David has an annoying tendency of fishing cheezy excuses out of the obvious, hugely-prevailing evidence. He once again acknowledges Kennedy's ploy to make Ben-Gurion accountable, but then draws the opposite conclusion from it.

By the way, why did Ben-Gurion break down then? (As you admit). Funny, David takes the Chomsky position above in his last line when he suggests JFK was responsible and not Ben-Gurion. What he's saying here is Israel's nukes were a done deal and Kennedy was foolish not to realize it (Zionist arrogance). That's a similar position to those who contend VietNam was unavoidable. The hard scrape against the grain of The Unspeakable here is deafening.

"The Dimona reactor became active some time between 1962 and 1964, and with the plutonium produced there the Israel Defense Forces most probably had their first nuclear weapons ready before the Six-Day War. When the United States intelligence community discovered the purpose of the site in the early 1960s, the U.S. government demanded that Israel agree to international inspections. Israel agreed, but on the condition that U.S., rather than International Atomic Energy Agency, inspectors be used, and that Israel would receive advance notice of all inspections. Israel is one of only three nations thought to possess nuclear weapons never to have signed the NPT ( others are India and Pakistan )."

More irrelevant text. All this shows is how important the juncture of Kennedy's restriction was in 1963. Obviously Israel would have been asked to forego nuclear weapons as a sign of good faith towards Kennedy's intended peace-making with the Soviets. That's what Kennedy was doing in those letters as much as David denies it. And that's what Ben-Gurion was sweating over. The CIA took care of all those worries with not only Kennedy's assassination, but the use of VietNam to destroy any chance of detente.

I have to thank you though for exposing this joke for further scrutiny... I've known the players and knew their stories for many years and had never heard how Sy Hersh found out what no other researcher or historian or close Kennedy advisor/author found out about Israel.... and Sy, being such a credible source (sarcasm alert !!!) how can we do anything but accept his being privy to something no one on the planet can coroborrate... or has ever mentioned...

You're not arguing honestly because you've already been shown this came from sources other than Hersh.

By now Albert...
you can have the final word as I'll be disconnecting from this travesty of research
and DVP/VB-like responses, "How could you be so stoopid as to NOT understand and accept this as the truth.... nothing else makes sense and you're a maroon for even trying"

You've done poorly by the facts David.


This only goes to show the depth and power of the Unspeakable and how even Kennedy researchers will serve it and its consumption of the truth. There's no scandal, including Israel's participation in the Kennedy assassination, it isn't powerful enough to absorb.



Shame on you David.