Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[David Josephs]

the case against Israel needs AUTHENTICATED proof, not just speculative coincidences and faith... from THAT argument on ANY topic, I will not back down
Cheers
DJ

Ah bollocks. There's no authenticated proof of any of the known or unknown suspects' guilt in JFK's murder. Why should the case against Israel require authenticated proof when nothing has been proven against anyone else to this day?

David, I have no gripe with you personally but you have made some bizarre comments during the course of this thread. Albert and myself have been trying to keep you focussed on the issue, but you often meander off. Obviously this is an issue which divides people like few other issues do, but I respect your contributions (without necessarily agreeing with them).

At least you don't throw rotten tomatoes from the cheap seats.

thanks Mark... appreciated.

I, as well, harbor no ill will at all... you are more than entitled to your opinions... and to chose whatever sources you'd like to support them.

What we DO HAVE, IMO, is authenticated proof that the WCR/FBI was wrong and maliciously so...
What I believe we do have is authenticated/coroborrated proof that someone was firing shots from the GK...
as well as the proof that Oswald changed clothes between the TSBD and the Theater... The descriptions of his clothes, especially from Bledsoe, is focused on what he was wearing when arrested... I think they provided that info to her not knowing about his changing his clothes... The NOTES from Fritz and the Book out report were buried and thought non-existent...

Anyway... Mark... what is glaringly noticeable is your side-stepping the information/questions I post...
You don't think it strange not to mention Gladio or Golitsyn in a book about the POSSIBLE origins of JFK's assassination eminating from that part of the world? That including Permindex and neglecting to inform readers of the NON-JEWISH RELATED activites of this CIA front? That the US's Cold War fear of Communism was MUCH GREATER than OUR concerns for Israel and their desire for OUR BLESSING on a nuclear weapon.

That, if Golitsyn is correct and the French SDECE was overrun by the KGB, then EVERYONE knew about Israels's Dimona secret... GB puts JFK into a position whereby he either alienates 90% of the region's population or disappoints Israel on this nuclear question... Does it STOP Israel? nope. STOP France? Nope.

So while I appreciate Piper trying to make a point... he appears to do so in an insulated chamber where none of the other realities of the time are incorporated into the picture...
Where Angleton & Mossad/Israel are virtually the same entity, and where a president's request for cooperation from an ally is met with an assassination attempt...

I'd prefer a bit more context and darker lines connecting the dots - if someone is going to call Israel out - and deservedly so, the "EVIDENCE" should be "AUTHENTICATED and COROBORRATED", not "Would have's" and "Could be's" with conjecture on a person's FRAME OF MIND.... like asking why Oswald went home on thursday the 21st... you dont get the impression he was ORDERED to do so? Don't we need to include the man Yates picks up and drops off? Without knowledge of that activity, Oswald's Thursday trip is MORE ominous... add it into the narrative and all of a sudden there is something much more sinister going on.

CONTEXT Mark... that's all I ask. When I go look and find Piper's "facts" are a very narrow interpretation of the source material, I get concerned.

So Mark... what other areas of Deep Politics are you most interersted in? I will go look at your profile and past posts so I can see..

Cheers - I really do appreciate a spirited discussion with well armed players
DJ