Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

Albert... maybe it's time to up the dosage on your meds?

This is the pissing contest level David sought to bring this debate to from the start. It is also the uncredible level of debate he seeks. I ask anyone following this thread to see if David has honestly honored my points from my last post. Clever people will see he makes an effort to strip the operative information I supplied in my last post and redouble his canards as if they were the rule here. But any honest person could see the information he stripped and context he refused to honor is what David needs to run from. Simple as that. For instance he re-quotes my saying Piper was wrong about suggesting Sponsorship but then doesn't quote the explanation of why Piper is still correct in his detailing of Israeli involvement. That is dishonest.


There's a simple way to judge this debate. David is a person who specializes in demanding exact firm proof and authentication. However he is also a person, who, while trying to draw attention to his lengthy irrelevant material, doesn't offer anything of substance towards the actual information being discussed. The way to judge the credibility of David's offerings is to realize that while demanding such strict proof he himself refuses to answer basic questions and has now withdrawn into the safe sanctuary of his own self-imposed position. But that's not good enough because it doesn't honestly address the real issues here. One of the best examples of this is his treatment of Ben-Gurion's recorded mental collapse. The biography Mark cited said those around Ben-Gurion in the Israeli government witnessed it was his interactions with Kennedy over Israel's nuclear weapons that caused it. As he does, once again, above, each time you point this out to David he ignores it. That to me tells me David, while claiming he was seeking to find the truth about this, is not really doing so. So as far as David's vociferous demand that we produce absolute documented and confirmed proof he very visibly fails to meet his own standard in the case of Ben-Gurion, nor does he admit that evidence when shown. You have to understand that the nervous breakdown of the Prime Minister of Israel is no small event. Especially one that drives him from office. Yet, to David, this doesn't seem important or worth explaining. To David nervous breakdowns are common and happen all the time. But in any case you have to realize that the great demander of truth, David, hasn't followed through on his own demands and explained the reason why Ben-Gurion broke down? He suggests it wasn't because of Ben-Gurion's battle with Kennedy over Israeli nukes, yet offers no explanation of what then caused it? Like I said, such an event is pretty serious. It has to have an explanation. You would think if David was seriously trying to pursue the truth, as he says, that he would use his boasted research skills that he lectures people about and find out exactly what caused Ben-Gurion's breakdown in order to disprove Piper. What is David's response to all this? Well, besides medication advice, nothing. Hmm.


Who are Belins and Specters here? Honestly?