Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Mark Stapleton]

"Whether he was Zionism's greatest friend and facilitator is a matter of opinion isn't it."

So we finally get to the heart of the matter.. a matter of opinion.

Thank you for posting that excerpt Mark... yet

Mark Stapleton

You were right Albert. This has turned into a pissing contest of sorts. In any case, the issue of BG's resignation/mental state and whether this is attributable to Kennedy's pressure seems to have become a major bone of contention. I don't like quoting long slabs of text from books but this excerpt from Cohen (pp.135-136) covers it pretty well I think:

the word "breakdown" does NOT appear once in this LONG SLAB while "resignation" appears 6 times...

At what point did EVIDENCE of a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN, as Albert has called it, become evidence of the concerns weighing heavy on his mind when he resigned?? For that is all there is in this QUOTE Mark... When WAS this breakdown? Was there actually a "breakdown" in the clinical sense?

Albert has a tizzy fit jumping down MY throat about YOU offering the proof of the HATRED between the men leading to his BREAKDOWN which in turn does NOT mean BG was a facilitator of the assassination (remember, Albert's words which he refuses to acknowledge after writing them even after specifically asked three times now...)

Anyway, Mark.... his HATRED for JFK over Dimona has now gone from the causal reason for the assassination, to: "at least controversial" quite a fall...

So the issue of whether BG's mental deterioration and subsequent resignation is attributable to Kennedy's pressure on Dimona is at the very least, controversial. Personally I'm sure it was the catalyst, but that's just my opinion.

and the first use of "breakdown in this thread... Albert...

I would even dare suggest that Angleton played this breakdown with Ben Gurion to enlist endorsement through this already-existing Mediterranean underground/Swiss bank cabal. If indeed Mossad had given the green light to the assassination, or perhaps it would be better put 'cooperation', what you would see is an energizing of their pro-zionist assets in the American underground. And low and behold you see a sudden indication of "jews" suddenly becoming "new backers" in an American CIA effort that was dovetailed with Dallas.
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Ben-Gurion was driven to a nervous breakdown by his negotiations with Kennedy. He resigned office because of it, yet you are trying to suggest this was a product of Hersh's imagination. As is typical of you David, it seems to me like you are trying to hide too much behind that obvious Hersh-association device. You can't defeat this with source defamation. It is obviously well beyond just Hersh alone. Mark has already cited the books referencing this

[B]

In his April 25 letter, BG equates the liberation of Palestine to the Holocaust. "The liberation of Palestine is impossible without the total destruction of the people in Israel" he babbles. He proposes a joint US-Soviet declaration guaranteeing the territorial security of all Middle Eastern states. He suggested cutting off assisstance to states threatening their neighbours. Senior diplomat Gideon Rafael describes BG at this time as 'hysterical' (Cohen p.120).

Ambassador Harman and his deputy Mordechai Gazit were even more critical of BG, knowing Washington would dismiss BG's letter as alarmist, which they did. BG's biographer describes him as 'panicky, even paranoid'. The impasse with JFK over Dimona was only part of it, however. What also spooked BG, and apparently BG alone, was the Arab Federation Declaration signed 8 days earlier by Egypt, Syria and Iraq calling for the liberation of Palestine. According to Cohen, other Israeli decision makers including Foreign Minister Golda Mier and the ministry's senior staff, did not share Ben-Gurion's alarm. Nor did the US.

David, I don't know what evidence you require short of a sworn affidavit from BG's doctor, but its clear from the evidence thus far that BG was losing it in the last few months of his leadership. Not being qualified to offer a medical opinion, I can only offer a personal opinion, which is that BG had a nervous breakdown. Regardless of how it is described, Ben-Gurion was showing extreme signs of stress.