Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

I'd like to point to my post #210 and the responses that followed and point-out that I was accused of ad hominem a few pages back.


I wish people would answer the points. I think we are acceptably past the issue of Ben-Gurion's stress-related departure from Israeli government being real or not. I'd also like people to observe the drastic difference in posts in relation to Piper's material and relevant discussion of it.

LOL

Real, yes.... why, not so much.

Mark asks, "what proof is good enough"... that JFK and Dimona was the leading cause and in turn was the REASON for his assassination?

Not a matter of good enough... just a matter of conveying your conclusion... and the sources and info offered simply shows he was a world leader at a difficult time with the same pressures as many leaders... only HE has the USA/Britain /France as allies AND they are constructing the damn thing anyway...

So I guess the proof required is such that anyone reading it can come to the same conclusion...

ie c2766 was ordered as C20-T750 which was, in Feb, was a M91/38TS rifle...
C2766 is a M91/38 FC rifle, one of a 100 in a shipment.
The microfilm with the Kleins orders WAS TAKEN and IS an WC Exhibit and does contain orders prior to and after Hidell's order.
Except there is not one other order available showing that a "FC" rifle was being shipped for C20-T750 since August 1962...
or an order to show WHAT THESE ORDER FROM AUG WERE BEING SHIPPED....

Is it fair to say this is PROOF that Hidell's order was a joke... not really. But it does make sense that if one order had shipped this rifle as a replacement, others did too, other than Hidell... the FBI not printingany other orders is suspect... plus wouldn't you thinkif other people had been receieinv a "FC" rifle in the months prior to the assassination INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY ORDERED... and then JFK is killed with the SAME RIFLE the mistakenly got...

Someone would have said something..

DJ

I'm not sure that answers anything I said in my post. As far as the matter at hand, so far it looks like Ben-Gurion's condition follows the regular pattern of reporting such incidents. That those members of Israeli government who said he was driven to a state of paranoia by his exchanges with Kennedy over Israel's nuclear weapons are telling the truth and the rest are doing damage control. The statements from those government witnesses fit this usual pattern of some telling the truth and others covering it up as was shown in the Kennedy assassination and the statements from American government members. Remember, David refuses to answer whether Douglass' evidence of Kennedy putting pressure on all governments for nuclear detente is relevant. He also refuses to give any honest interpretation of Ben-Gurion's statement that JFK was threatening the future existence of Israel. David, if Kennedy wasn't denying Ben-Gurion nuclear weapons then why would he say this? David says this is a common statement from Israel, but he fails to follow-through and admit what usually follows after Israel makes that statement.

It's funny because I think some fail to register how this debate itself and the reactions it attracts is a microcosm, and therefore proof of sorts, of Ben-Gurion's reaction.


In the end David, once again, tries to minimize Kennedy. This is something that LNer's do, even though David tries to portray us as acting like LNer's. David tries to say that Kennedy was not unlike any other leader. However The Unspeakable shows otherwise. It shows that Kennedy was the leader of the world attempting an unprecedented effort towards world peace.

Someone would have said something..

I can't understand how David would avoid realizing, while posing us as the LNer's, that this is a classic LN quote. I think it says a lot. As does his attempt to, once again, switch the subject to irrelevant assassination material.