Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

Your obsession with ME as opposed to proving your case is pathetic and sad....

Piper is letting you down, not me "Albert"... the reality of history is letting you down. I just happen to be the messenger.... which is why you and your Ad hom sidekick need to spend all your time attacking me rather than defending you position....and when your ad hom buddy asks for a source... you can't even provide it to HIM.

Thank you for your overly-long obscene reversal which is basically saying you can't answer the point that was made clearly enough.

And all this has WHAT to do with BG supposedly being harrassed into pushing for and assisting in the assassiantion of JFK over Dimona?

You post every possible piece of data you can find EXCEPT that which we are talking about... ??

The answer to that was fairly obvious from what was already written. It's pretty obvious that BOTH the Lansky/Rosenbaum/Swiss bank network AND Dimona were used as leverage. It's not difficult to figure out. So far you've managed to categorically avoid that dirty money network in your responses. You can't do that and still have credibility in any discussion of either Piper or the assassination.

Your responses are very weak, David, vs what is actually being discussed. Once again, we have a strong reply from you that shows no indication of any attempt whatsoever of answering the point. Bobby Kennedy was going after the mob. So you had two pinchers that were going right at the jugular of Israel's and CIA's most important interests in the Kennedy brothers. The Kennedy brothers weren't stupid. They knew where to target Eisenhower's warned-against Military Industrial Complex. That isn't difficult to understand. So why are you having such trouble giving a straight answer? You might wish my entries were about you David, but any objective person would see they were about the points you keep dodging.

Do you believe LBJ and McNamarra had influence on the Financial Aid to Israel in Fiscal 1964?
Do you understand that during JFK's tenure spending INCREASES... and then DROPS AFTER HE IS KILLED....

Once again, you're not answering the point David. Kennedy was battling the Military Industrial Complex that was seeking new venues like Israel. Kennedy was restricting nuclear weapons for Israel while Angleton was sneaking nuclear materials to Israel behind his back. Your input is dishonest because it is exactly like those who try to say the real record shows Kennedy was the first person to get involved in VietNam and escalate. You are doing the Chomsky VietNam routine with Israel. Your input is dishonest on its face because it totally ignores the qualifying information of Kennedy's attempts to control Israeli weaponization. Your context for the Hawk missiles is repeatedly dishonest because it repeatedly ignores that the Hawk missiles were sold to Israel to placate them over the nuclear restriction. Yet you turn around and say they are evidence of Kennedy initiating that arms build-up. You live a bizarre reality-disconnected world because even after Mark shows you you have incorrectly cited figures that rightly back Piper you ignore this and re-enter them again as if you had never been shown the evidence that proves you to be totally wrong. That's pretty arrogant, yet it has no affect on your down-talking tone. Kennedy's expenditures on Israel increased the same way they did on VietNam and in the exact same context. That context was correctly shown in the widely-praised JFK And The Unspeakable. You can't get away with either mis-citing numbers or ignoring their true context as shown in Piper like you try to do. David, any chance on a direct answer as to your total wrongness on the '64 funding?

If LBJ was the great Zionist hope for Israel, why does it take until 1966 to show any significant increases and then are you also going to blame JFK for the drop form $90 Million to $7M in 1967?
In 1968, 50% of that total is Food 4 Peace Loans....

If accurate, this can only be entered in relation to the fungibility created by the covert funds coming through Rosenbaum's network. David, what's your honest answer as to how the Liberty incident reflects on this?

Once again with you two,... you state things yet they are ALWAYS WRONG, and they ALWAYS point in the opposite direction of your conclusions....

Not working David. You were totally wrong on the '64 funding figures and their interpretation. Nor did you answer the points in my last post.

How you or anyone can read my posts and see them as PRO-Israel in this fight is not reading very carefully.
If ANYTHING, the ongoing stance of Israel towards the USA made their own bed to sleep in.... and we STILL did not make any "DEMANDS" of Israel, other than honesty.

So you're just going to ignore the world-shifting detente Kennedy was attempting, as shown in The Unspeakable, and how it would have affected Israel? You're saying meek Jack offered humble protests to "lying" Israel and that was that? Not very honest. Douglass must have gotten it all wrong. You better contact him and correct him.

David what is your direct and honest answer to how the Tibor Rosenbaum covert funding affected the fungibility of Israel repaying its loans from the US? Do you honestly have a right to quote Jewish Virtual Library figures as some kind of magic fairyland alternate reality while ignoring this critical relevant funding source as shown in Piper? Or how it affected both the funding and political motivations being discussed here? The Kennedy's were going after both this military build-up and the mob funding sources behind it. Not only do you ignore this critically-relevant funding sector that is the main point of Piper's book but you also ignore the relevant context behind the motivations it inspired. Funny how you, like Joan Peters, skim your columns in order to make those relevant figures disappear. But you didn't have to because the Jewish Virtual Library already did that for you. Trust them!

In retrospect I'm awed by your harsh approach towards Israel!