12-03-2013, 06:18 PM
We've established that more than just the three in the images were pulled from the trains in the RR yard (Harkness)
We've established that the three whose name appear on Arrest Reports spent 3-4 days in jail while the three in the images were set free after meeting with Decker
We've reasonably established that Lansdale walked past these men to the west of the TSBD entrance.
We've also established that Wise was not entirely truthful about who was with him in the photos - if indeed THESE PHOTOS were the ones shown to him
(I have yet to see evidence of which photos these men were shown)
We've established contradictory evidence that these men were, on the one hand, dirty, smelly and disgusting...
while on the other, Gedney claims they were at the Salvation Army together, had cleaned up and eaten before going to the rr yards.
Wise tells the FBI that he, Bass, Vaughn and Middleton we detailed to go check out the "rail tower" and talk to a man there with info about men who had hopped a train...
(attached - Middleton claims he was not at work that day while Wise swears to it)
Q1: Were the photographed "tramps" really on the train?
Wise only describes the elderly tramp - who has a paper bag with some personal items along with a knife, that Wise takes and keeps...
The photo of them in front of the TSBD (with who appears to be Oswald out front talking to a cop in the background) shows the elderly tramp with the paper bag...
SPECUALTION: The elderly tramp really was one of the three tramps on the arrest report... Gus Abrahms, 53... while the others were not Doyle and/or Gedney.
Q2: Who did Decker let go, in a somewhat unusual way?
From the arrest reports and the interviews with Abrahms, Doyle and Gedney... they were in jail thru the weekend, release on the 26th.
From the attached, Wise let's us know he was informed they were let go. He never SEES the three leave... which, imo, supports the possbility that Abrahms was kept while the other two were released.
Add not Harness' comment about more than just the three pictured taken from the trains... and I believe we have the makings of a switch... Not three for three...
but two for two... which in the CIA world of plans, a little truth infused in a lie helps confuse the issue even further.
Q3: Could the parade thru DP simple be made to establish there were THREE TRAMPS, and nothing more?
Well.. IMO that is part of the process.
Let's suppose the two other tramps, the clean ones in suits and smirks, were there simply to confuse the issue... red herrings to point to Mafia connections...
for as far as I know, these men were never seen or discussed prior to these pictures... they were not at Odio's house.... they were not seen with Ferrie/Shaw/Ruby/Oswald
So they serve but 2 purposes... establish THREE TRAMPS for history's sake and lead us down the wrong paths.
Q4: What happened to the other men removed from the train according to Harkness?
THAT is the $64,000 question... for while the three depicted in the photos were part of those removed, they were not ALL of the men removed.
Somehow Gedney and Doyle make it back to the station to be booked with Abrahms, without being seen by anyone... (maybe the same way the two left without being seen by Wise, these other two arrived)
The PHOTOS and testimony can be accurate and truthful.. these WERE the men escorted from the train... just not all of them.
So while red herrings have been chased for years trying to ID these men... nothing definitive has been proven....
If one reads the interviews of Gedney we find the threesome hanging together for quite some time... do two early 30's guys as we see in the images and a 53 year old drunk seem an odd trio to you?
http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10151-10214
The little detail of the paper bag that Abrahms had is either another outright lie by Wise... and that person was part of the ruse... or he was truthful by accident and allows us to conclude that really was Abrahms in order to give credibility when looking back on the incident.
Does anyone know of any evidence of these OTHER MEN FROM THE TRAIN being escorted to the station by any of the key players: Harkness, Haygood, Vaughn, Bass, Middleton, ???
We've established that the three whose name appear on Arrest Reports spent 3-4 days in jail while the three in the images were set free after meeting with Decker
We've reasonably established that Lansdale walked past these men to the west of the TSBD entrance.
We've also established that Wise was not entirely truthful about who was with him in the photos - if indeed THESE PHOTOS were the ones shown to him
(I have yet to see evidence of which photos these men were shown)
We've established contradictory evidence that these men were, on the one hand, dirty, smelly and disgusting...
while on the other, Gedney claims they were at the Salvation Army together, had cleaned up and eaten before going to the rr yards.
Wise tells the FBI that he, Bass, Vaughn and Middleton we detailed to go check out the "rail tower" and talk to a man there with info about men who had hopped a train...
(attached - Middleton claims he was not at work that day while Wise swears to it)
Q1: Were the photographed "tramps" really on the train?
Wise only describes the elderly tramp - who has a paper bag with some personal items along with a knife, that Wise takes and keeps...
The photo of them in front of the TSBD (with who appears to be Oswald out front talking to a cop in the background) shows the elderly tramp with the paper bag...
SPECUALTION: The elderly tramp really was one of the three tramps on the arrest report... Gus Abrahms, 53... while the others were not Doyle and/or Gedney.
Q2: Who did Decker let go, in a somewhat unusual way?
From the arrest reports and the interviews with Abrahms, Doyle and Gedney... they were in jail thru the weekend, release on the 26th.
From the attached, Wise let's us know he was informed they were let go. He never SEES the three leave... which, imo, supports the possbility that Abrahms was kept while the other two were released.
Add not Harness' comment about more than just the three pictured taken from the trains... and I believe we have the makings of a switch... Not three for three...
but two for two... which in the CIA world of plans, a little truth infused in a lie helps confuse the issue even further.
Q3: Could the parade thru DP simple be made to establish there were THREE TRAMPS, and nothing more?
Well.. IMO that is part of the process.
Let's suppose the two other tramps, the clean ones in suits and smirks, were there simply to confuse the issue... red herrings to point to Mafia connections...
for as far as I know, these men were never seen or discussed prior to these pictures... they were not at Odio's house.... they were not seen with Ferrie/Shaw/Ruby/Oswald
So they serve but 2 purposes... establish THREE TRAMPS for history's sake and lead us down the wrong paths.
Q4: What happened to the other men removed from the train according to Harkness?
THAT is the $64,000 question... for while the three depicted in the photos were part of those removed, they were not ALL of the men removed.
Somehow Gedney and Doyle make it back to the station to be booked with Abrahms, without being seen by anyone... (maybe the same way the two left without being seen by Wise, these other two arrived)
The PHOTOS and testimony can be accurate and truthful.. these WERE the men escorted from the train... just not all of them.
So while red herrings have been chased for years trying to ID these men... nothing definitive has been proven....
If one reads the interviews of Gedney we find the threesome hanging together for quite some time... do two early 30's guys as we see in the images and a 53 year old drunk seem an odd trio to you?
http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10151-10214
The little detail of the paper bag that Abrahms had is either another outright lie by Wise... and that person was part of the ruse... or he was truthful by accident and allows us to conclude that really was Abrahms in order to give credibility when looking back on the incident.
Does anyone know of any evidence of these OTHER MEN FROM THE TRAIN being escorted to the station by any of the key players: Harkness, Haygood, Vaughn, Bass, Middleton, ???
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter