13-03-2013, 08:47 PM
LR Trotter Wrote:At one time, 2 of the 3 "Dealey Plaza Tramps" were suggested to be Houston residents Charles Rogers and Charles Harrelson. That of course perked up my interest in their true identity. After I saw the report that identified the shorter of the 2 as Harold Doyle, and the taller gentleman as John Gedney, I studied the photographs as best I could and over time became satisfied that the so called "Charles Rogers Tramp" was in fact, Harold Doyle. And, I am also satisfied that the gentleman referenced as the "Charles Harrelson Tramp" is actually John Gedney. I developed my opinion based on similar, although age progressed, features. I make no claim to be an expert and confirm this is just my opinion. Now, whether or not the 3 gentlemen participated in the events of 11/22'63, I have no opinion. As for the older of the 3, who likewise was identified by the same arrest records that surfaced some years after '63, who has been identified as Gus Abrams, the photos are not, at least for me, very identity worthy.
LR... if you could post or direct us to theses photos you've used for comparison it would help with our understanding of your conclusions....
Are you saying you've have seen photos of John Forrester Gedney, Harold Doyle, and Gus W. Abrahms, independent of the three tramps photos from DP...
or are you making this conclusion based on comparing their supposed identities to Harrelson and Rogers, finding that Harrelson is not the same as the man ID'd as Gedney and Rogers is not the same as the man ID'd as Doyle?
At this point in the discussion I am not concluding WHO these other two men are.... I have never seen photos of Gedney, Doyle or Abrahms from 1963.
What I do know is that the FBI reports contradict themselves. Gedney, Doyle and Abrahms were detained and released from jail on 11/26/63.
Each man states they spent a few days in jail and were released... while Wise tells the FBI that HE was informed the three men were released on 11/22 after talking with Decker... although they did not leave via the "normal" route.
We can't have it both ways... I could understand if the three arrest reports were created after the fact (as Chambers cannot remember completing them) yet then how would the three men each tell of being kept thru the 26th?
Of course they could have been intimidated into corroborating the story....
If they were just three hobos, why hide the fact of their processing for so long?
I'm just trying to work it thru... Harkness let slip that there were other men taken from the train at that time....
What can be gained from a "deep" POV by creating enough of a scene with these men to insure photos being taken... when so many other "suspects and witnesses" were wisked off by car?
Does not that suggest a plan and purpose for these men to be photographed in DP.... which in turn works bacward to their being in the right place to be taken from the train in the first place.... and on back from there.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know whether or not anyone found any suspicious people of any kind or nature down there in the railroad yard
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir. We made some arrests, I put some people in.
Mr. BELIN - Were these what you call hoboes or tramps?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Were all those questioned?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; they were taken to the station and questioned.
Mr. BELIN - Any guns of any kind found?
Mr. HARKNESS - Not to my knowledge.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter