16-03-2013, 08:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 17-03-2013, 05:07 AM by Charles Drago.)
David Josephs Wrote:Finally CD, please name someone who actually would be concerned with bringing the guilty Cuban/Soviet parties to Justice... WHO are you talking about..
Otherwise your entire question remains vague and impossible to address with any accuracy other than SPECULATION... which we all know is frowned upon...
Nice try, David.
However, I opened this thread not with knee-jerk conclusions based on unsubstantiated speculation.
As clearly stated up front, the premise for my question-as-thread is Peter Dale Scott's three-phase conspiracy model.
Having accepted Scott's hypothesis for the sake of argument, I next offered my own informed speculation and asked questions.
Repeat: I asked questions.
Never did I state that either Scott's viewpoint or my own should be taken as fact "before anyting [sic] else..." as you did with the wholly unsupported-by-fact No Name Key photo ID hypothesis.
Which is to say -- and this remains the all-important point that you cannot or will not concede -- I NEVER objected to your act of speculation; rather I objected then and I CONTINUE to object to your immediate and unjustified conflation of speculation with established fact.
In other words, I dismiss your most recent post as a weak "gotcha" effort.
In it, you state, entirely missing the point, "According to what I found... the only WE who would even KNOW about Phase 1 being false were in the CIA, Hoover and LBJ... everyone else starting in DALLAS was already making the assumption that OSWALD was part of a commie plot...."
My only reaction: Keep looking.
"Assistant Attorney General Katzenbach wrote a revealing memo which stated 'The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.' The memo also noted the rumors of a Communist conspiracy based on Oswald's sojourn in Russia, but also noted: "Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat--too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced."
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.ph...assination
AND LISTENING
"This fascinating conversation between President Johnson and his old mentor Senator Richard Russell is very revealing. Johnson begins by reading to Russell the announcement of the formation of the President's Commission to study the assassination, to which he has named Russell. Not realizing that it's a done deal, Russell complains that he 'couldn't serve on it with Chief Justice Warren--I don't like that man' and pleads with Johnson to reconsider. LBJ tells him that 'Dick, it's already been announced and you can serve with anybody for the good of America, and this is a question that has a good many more ramifications than on the surface and we've got to take this out of the arena where they're testifying that Khruschev [sic] and Castro did this and did that and kicking us into a war that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour.'
"Toward the end of the conversation, Johnson re-invokes the image of 40 million Americans killed in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, and then tells Russell how he got Warren to serve on the Commission. After Warren refused several times, Johnson called him to the Oval Office and told him 'what Hoover told me about a little incident in Mexico City,' whereupon Warren began crying and told Johnson 'well I won't turn you down, I'll just do whatever you say.'"
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/l...63_2nd.htm