18-03-2013, 06:32 PM
You have Katzenbach and Russell...
Charles... you ask a very specific question about PEOPLE and then get all miffed when you are asked to NAME THESE PEOPLE.
You come to a conclusion about the nature of these PEOPLE and how they need to me MOLLIFIED (you did write that CD, remember?)
Read what YOU asked:
How were the most powerful people in and around government who, innocent of any involvement in the conspiracy, were told and accepted as being true what today we call the Phase I story, mollified when they asked (and I believe many of them did), "If we go along with this cover-up of Cuban and Soviet complicity for the greater good, how and when will the guilty Cuban and Soviet parties be punished?"
NOBODY asked this question CD... Katzenbach wanted to be sure all roads pointed to Oswald and that the evidence was just too "obvious"...
WHO ASKED THIS QUESTION CD?
Did Katzenbach need to be mollified when the FBI report came out saying Oswald was alone? If anything Katz was HELPING with steering the direction away from Phase 1 and into Phase 2... do you supposed HE was aware of that though?
The Thread's title CD: The Cover-Up: How Was Movement from Phase I to Phase II Justified?
You seem to forget that PHASE 1 was a CIA story, a set-up... nothing else. Whoever was impersonating OSWALD on the phone was not doing a very good job and was easily dismissed... In the months leading up to Nov OSWALD was painted as pro-Castro, pro-shooting, pro-Russia... Duran and Alvarado were also EASILY DISMISSED... With planes screaming towards Cuba, the Situation Room tells us there was NO CONSPIRACY, bring the planes back.
As much as we'd like to think they were all HAWKS, declaring war on a country is no simple thing... you honestly think that if JFK DID go ahead with blowing Cuba off the map he would not have been killed anyway? now THAT thought is naive.
So you ask very simply... how was Phase 1 to Phase 2 JUSTIFIED? The proof linking Castro and Russia with OSWALD was pathetic... it was designed to be pathetic so anyone pulling at the stray strings would unravel it and make everyone look bad... Phase 2 is the story of american history... there are NO CONSPIRACIES in the assassinations of our leaders.... NONE. (ask Joe Streetcorner who killed Lincoln....)
So please Charles if you are going to use pronouns like PEOPLE and THEY and WE, who all need to be "mollified" over their outrage that an obvious Communist-backed Killer kills JFK yet we are presenting him as a LONE NUT KILLER like all US assassins in history... You do us and yourself a disservice by not NAMING who you are referring to.... and explaining WHEN you think they knew these things....
Again, WHO KNEW of Phase 1 and would need to be mollified once that was changed to Phase 2... other than Bobby? and when does PHASE 2 actually begin OTHER THAN with the leaking and publishing of the FBI report. Without identifying WHO you are referring to... you are basically saying very little Charles other than faceless pronouns knowing something you haven't proven and needing to be mollified for something they haven't asked...
I really do not chose to be difficult here CD... but your insistence that you not pony up the evidence that even leads you to the question is a surprise... I've read PDScott and enjoy what he writes. Don't even THINK to treat me like I don't know the subject matter instead of addressing the glaring shortcomings of your question....
How was it justified? There are no conspiracies in the great US of A... that's how.
Now... WHO knew OSWALD was commie backed and wanted their pound of Commie flesh after being "mollified"?
Can't state it any more simply or clearly than that CD.
Charles... you ask a very specific question about PEOPLE and then get all miffed when you are asked to NAME THESE PEOPLE.
You come to a conclusion about the nature of these PEOPLE and how they need to me MOLLIFIED (you did write that CD, remember?)
Read what YOU asked:
How were the most powerful people in and around government who, innocent of any involvement in the conspiracy, were told and accepted as being true what today we call the Phase I story, mollified when they asked (and I believe many of them did), "If we go along with this cover-up of Cuban and Soviet complicity for the greater good, how and when will the guilty Cuban and Soviet parties be punished?"
NOBODY asked this question CD... Katzenbach wanted to be sure all roads pointed to Oswald and that the evidence was just too "obvious"...
WHO ASKED THIS QUESTION CD?
Did Katzenbach need to be mollified when the FBI report came out saying Oswald was alone? If anything Katz was HELPING with steering the direction away from Phase 1 and into Phase 2... do you supposed HE was aware of that though?
The Thread's title CD: The Cover-Up: How Was Movement from Phase I to Phase II Justified?
You seem to forget that PHASE 1 was a CIA story, a set-up... nothing else. Whoever was impersonating OSWALD on the phone was not doing a very good job and was easily dismissed... In the months leading up to Nov OSWALD was painted as pro-Castro, pro-shooting, pro-Russia... Duran and Alvarado were also EASILY DISMISSED... With planes screaming towards Cuba, the Situation Room tells us there was NO CONSPIRACY, bring the planes back.
As much as we'd like to think they were all HAWKS, declaring war on a country is no simple thing... you honestly think that if JFK DID go ahead with blowing Cuba off the map he would not have been killed anyway? now THAT thought is naive.
So you ask very simply... how was Phase 1 to Phase 2 JUSTIFIED? The proof linking Castro and Russia with OSWALD was pathetic... it was designed to be pathetic so anyone pulling at the stray strings would unravel it and make everyone look bad... Phase 2 is the story of american history... there are NO CONSPIRACIES in the assassinations of our leaders.... NONE. (ask Joe Streetcorner who killed Lincoln....)
So please Charles if you are going to use pronouns like PEOPLE and THEY and WE, who all need to be "mollified" over their outrage that an obvious Communist-backed Killer kills JFK yet we are presenting him as a LONE NUT KILLER like all US assassins in history... You do us and yourself a disservice by not NAMING who you are referring to.... and explaining WHEN you think they knew these things....
Again, WHO KNEW of Phase 1 and would need to be mollified once that was changed to Phase 2... other than Bobby? and when does PHASE 2 actually begin OTHER THAN with the leaking and publishing of the FBI report. Without identifying WHO you are referring to... you are basically saying very little Charles other than faceless pronouns knowing something you haven't proven and needing to be mollified for something they haven't asked...
I really do not chose to be difficult here CD... but your insistence that you not pony up the evidence that even leads you to the question is a surprise... I've read PDScott and enjoy what he writes. Don't even THINK to treat me like I don't know the subject matter instead of addressing the glaring shortcomings of your question....
How was it justified? There are no conspiracies in the great US of A... that's how.
Now... WHO knew OSWALD was commie backed and wanted their pound of Commie flesh after being "mollified"?
Can't state it any more simply or clearly than that CD.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter

