05-05-2013, 07:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2013, 07:32 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Kara Dellacioppa Wrote:Did you think it was worth it? I waited six months for a redacted summary of one incident where i was arrested where 70% of the paper were not release. I have some informant pages that are nearly illeligible and stuff that was public knowledge about the incident. Yet my file was opened when I was 17 and active until last year and only one thing was of importance. Should I do an appeal to get a more access to my file? I dont know if its worth it or if i would learn anything from it. Anyone have experience in this matter? would be grateful for a response.. Kara
I've done several some years back. Now it is more difficult and it always was. They see their mandate as one to deny as much as possible. They will carefully look at your WORDING to find ways to deny you - so you must get the wording correctly. Too complex to go into here....I think you can find some guides on internet from responsible progressive groups on the wording. Second, though they know the law, you should state it in your request. Also prove you are you [if you are filing for your own papers] with a notary stamp to your signature. Don't take 'no' for an answer - nor a partial compliance either. Keep after them. You can appeal as many times as you like - even sue them for it [though expensive unless your relative or friend is a lawyer]. Point out clearly to them exactly what you think should be 'there' and why. For each city in or near an FBI office you think there may be a file or part of a file on you [not all is in D.C. and copies are scattered far and wide!], you need to list that city in all sent - and send one to each. [I sent my requests listing many, many FBI offices past and present - but they don't change much] If there could be other agencies with some of the information, list and send to those too. Do not just list papers, say something like: 'any information regarding XXXXXXX and XXXXX .,....... in any form: paper, electronic, tape, video, photos, or any other information storage system[s]' Don't ask, politely DEMAND. Tell them what was sent you know [explain why/how] is not complete - and they are not following the FOIA law. Assume the person handling the request is stupid and overworked - also could care less about your request [likely all true] and do their work for them - list dates; incidents; places; etc. that might trigger a response to your request, as well as your name or any other names you have used. Tell them to look under logical misspellings of your name; with and without middle name; with long and short form of first names; with and without married name [if applies], etc. If not a risk to others, list others associated with what you 'went through' as you might be co-listed in THEIR files! Separately, tell them they are blacking out too much material [and give exact rationale/reason for why you believe this - study up on the only valid reasons they can do this]. If an important case, and you happen to have one of the few helpful congresspersons, ask their help and have them co-sign the request! If you have any proofs [police/FBI reports/news items/private letters, photos etc.] that indicate other materials about other incidents and dates and places must logically exist tell them or show them, if not sensitive [but what you send them will go into your file!]. This is NOT an exhaustive list nor guide. There are guides to this process [more an art] on the internet. Look for a RECENT FEW - as they change the 'rules' of the game all the time; and post 9-11 all is more difficult - and gets so all the time now. Welcome to hell! Good luck. :unclesam: They work for us...as hard as it is to believe. They don't believe so at all. Lastly, be firm and resolute in your request. Tell them you intend to persist until you get all you KNOW is there and at other field offices or agencies.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass