21-05-2013, 09:26 PM
I think it comes down to the two different camps on this
1) the entire movie is a fabrication
2) the film is basically the original Zfilm with alterations
Given what I've studied all these years MUCH of what we see in the Zfilm today DID HAPPEN... the film was altered and reshot as an original removing the stop, the turn at Elm, and many of the frames around the z313 mark. I am working on the theory that these scenes were shot in Slow motion... 48fps and that the spliced in 19 feet of blank film was just that, spliced in. I have yet to hear a coherent explanation for the Zfilm being entirely fabricated... but the day is young.
With a 48fps "master", removing frames to result in an 18.3fps finished film will produce a much smoother film yet explains some of the jerky movements where more frames were removed out of necessity. The lack of detail from those viewing the film those first couple of days seems to me to make a 48fps cut down possible... Can you imagine the SS letting Zapruder keep his original overnight for ANY reason? I find that stretches the bounds of belief... With as much planning and care in the cover-up, letting a citizen hold a film showing the assassination in all its glory is too much for me to accept.
I believe we will come to find one day that most if not ALL the activities that weekend were geared toward Oswald the lone nut and mixing as much BS as possible into the truth told that day. What's the best way to hide a black marble? Drop it into a vat of black marbles... with just the right amount of truth, the lies of the WCR become palatable to the uninformed.
There are MANY threads on the subject here... I've started a few myself... a read thru them will give you quite a background...
DJ
The coroborration of other films and photos suggests that the details in the zfilm are from what occurred that day... whether or not another film taken from that location at a different time was used to alter the film Zapruder shot, IDK.
The film others saw has a full limo stop, SS men with guns drawn piling out of the Queen Mary, JFK virtually lifted out of his seat with shot(s) to the head (sewer shot?)...
then there is the testimony of both Hill and Kellerman as the the shots and when Hill is on the limo
Hill running to the limo BEFORE the final shots...
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration--
Mr. KELLERMAN. B[B]etween the second and third shot[/B].
Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just a[B]bout as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it[/B] seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there
As we know from the Zfilm... Hill only leaves to run to the limo AFTER the z313 shot "removed a portion of the President's head"....
Both men state there is another shot after the second which removes a portion of his head...
Hill tells us that a sound is heard as he reaches the limo...
Mr. LIEBELER - You also testified that you were standing perhaps no more than 15 feet away when the President was hit in the head and that you are absolutely certain that there were no shots fired after the President was hit in the head?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir; that's correct.
At z341 Hill jumps up with his right foot, Altgens is closing in on his 15 foot picture that he does not take (yet another strange event... Altgens 7 looks nothing like the other professional images from Altgens that day... wonder why that is and whether he did actually take a photo around Z345.)
Here are frames Z340 thru 350... just as Hill is lunging with his right foot to get on the limo... he testifies to losing his footing and regaining it afterward... which is what we see...
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So we have a growing number of references for "A" shot being further down Elm...
Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here (sic) another shot?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there
The WCR's own data tells us that the "final" shot was 4+95 This is CE875 which are photos of the location the limo was at a variety of different times... according to the survey data (below), z313 is at 4+65, NOT 30 feet further down Elm as the SS tells us.
The evidence suggests that a shot was fired and did hit JFK at 4+95... just as Hill, Kellerman, Hudson, and the SS tell us. From where and with what weapon is up for interpretation
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1) the entire movie is a fabrication
2) the film is basically the original Zfilm with alterations
Given what I've studied all these years MUCH of what we see in the Zfilm today DID HAPPEN... the film was altered and reshot as an original removing the stop, the turn at Elm, and many of the frames around the z313 mark. I am working on the theory that these scenes were shot in Slow motion... 48fps and that the spliced in 19 feet of blank film was just that, spliced in. I have yet to hear a coherent explanation for the Zfilm being entirely fabricated... but the day is young.
With a 48fps "master", removing frames to result in an 18.3fps finished film will produce a much smoother film yet explains some of the jerky movements where more frames were removed out of necessity. The lack of detail from those viewing the film those first couple of days seems to me to make a 48fps cut down possible... Can you imagine the SS letting Zapruder keep his original overnight for ANY reason? I find that stretches the bounds of belief... With as much planning and care in the cover-up, letting a citizen hold a film showing the assassination in all its glory is too much for me to accept.
I believe we will come to find one day that most if not ALL the activities that weekend were geared toward Oswald the lone nut and mixing as much BS as possible into the truth told that day. What's the best way to hide a black marble? Drop it into a vat of black marbles... with just the right amount of truth, the lies of the WCR become palatable to the uninformed.
There are MANY threads on the subject here... I've started a few myself... a read thru them will give you quite a background...
DJ
The coroborration of other films and photos suggests that the details in the zfilm are from what occurred that day... whether or not another film taken from that location at a different time was used to alter the film Zapruder shot, IDK.
The film others saw has a full limo stop, SS men with guns drawn piling out of the Queen Mary, JFK virtually lifted out of his seat with shot(s) to the head (sewer shot?)...
then there is the testimony of both Hill and Kellerman as the the shots and when Hill is on the limo
Hill running to the limo BEFORE the final shots...
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration--
Mr. KELLERMAN. B[B]etween the second and third shot[/B].
Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just a[B]bout as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it[/B] seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there
As we know from the Zfilm... Hill only leaves to run to the limo AFTER the z313 shot "removed a portion of the President's head"....
Both men state there is another shot after the second which removes a portion of his head...
Hill tells us that a sound is heard as he reaches the limo...
Mr. LIEBELER - You also testified that you were standing perhaps no more than 15 feet away when the President was hit in the head and that you are absolutely certain that there were no shots fired after the President was hit in the head?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir; that's correct.
At z341 Hill jumps up with his right foot, Altgens is closing in on his 15 foot picture that he does not take (yet another strange event... Altgens 7 looks nothing like the other professional images from Altgens that day... wonder why that is and whether he did actually take a photo around Z345.)
Here are frames Z340 thru 350... just as Hill is lunging with his right foot to get on the limo... he testifies to losing his footing and regaining it afterward... which is what we see...
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So we have a growing number of references for "A" shot being further down Elm...
Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here (sic) another shot?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there
The WCR's own data tells us that the "final" shot was 4+95 This is CE875 which are photos of the location the limo was at a variety of different times... according to the survey data (below), z313 is at 4+65, NOT 30 feet further down Elm as the SS tells us.
The evidence suggests that a shot was fired and did hit JFK at 4+95... just as Hill, Kellerman, Hudson, and the SS tell us. From where and with what weapon is up for interpretation
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Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter