07-06-2013, 12:07 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-06-2013, 01:25 AM by David Josephs.)
Hey Mark...
Been away discovering new things in old text....
From CD298 we learn about a detailed model built by the FBI to illustrate when and where the shots were fired...
NO mention of Tague
NO mention of SBT
Three shots, three hits.
'cept in this explanation, Shot #2 is Z313 and the "last shot" is down by the stairs where Hudson and Altgens tell us the final shot occurred.
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Yet the WCR tells us a shot missed... and the SBT was born.
(edit: need to add that they probably could have said Tague was a fragment, yet they had to get at least one of the frontal shots, the throat, to come from behind...
I think the SBT was more about explaining away the frontal shot than a missed shot.)
THE SHOT THAT MISSED
[size=12]From the initial findings that (a) one shot passed through the
President's neck and then most probably passed through the Governor's
body, (b) a subsequent shot penetrated the President's head, © no
other shot struck any part of the automobile, and (d) three shots were
fired, it follows that one shot probably missed the car and its occupants.
The evidence is inconclusive as to whether it was the first,
second, or third shot which missed.
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Pat Speer has done some great work on this and the "last shot" and how it changes from study to study... yet NONE of them puts the shot at 307 feet like the FBI does here...
and shot #2 at 262 feet.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=62
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The FBI model was created FROM a variety of sources including the films and photos and testimony -
My question is what could they have possibly looked at to create this model as there is no longer any evidence other than witness testimony that places a shot that far down Elm?a
And since they had the autopsy report stating a bullet had danced the SBT dance.. what are they doing here other than possibly telling the truth about 3 of the shots?
Mr. LIEBELER - I don't know how many feet it moved, but it moved quite a ways from the time the first shot was fired until the time the third shot was fired. I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now, you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's car when he was hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I was about 15 feet from it.
Mr. HUDSON - Y[B]es; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there[/B].
Mr. LIEBELER - You think the last shot was fired and the car was about where it actually is in that picture when the third shot was fired?
Mr. HUDSON - Pretty close to it; yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you think the President had already been hit in the head by the time the third shot was fired?
Mr. HUDSON - He had been hit twice, so Parkland Hospital said. He was hit in the neck one time and in the head one time.
Mr. LIEBELER - Wh[B]en the first shot was fired, were you looking at the presidential car then; could you see it then?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it was coming around - it had just got around the corner,you see, from off of Houston Street, making that corner there, come off of Houston onto Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did it look to you like the President was hit by the first shot?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; I don't think so [/B]- I sure don't.
Mr. LIEBELER - You don't think he got hit by the first shot?
Mr. HUDSON - No.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What happened after the President got hit in the head, did you see what he did, what happened in the car?
Mr. HUDSON - He slumped over and Mrs. Kennedy, she climbs over in the seat with him and pulls him over.
Mr. LIEBELER - Pulled him down in the seat?
Mr. HUDSON - Pulled him over in her lap like.
Mr. LIEBELER - If you don't think the Presidentgot hit by the first shot and yoy say he got hit in the head with the second shot -
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - And if we assume that he was shot twice, you would have to say that he was hit by the third shot; isn't that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was hit again after he got hit in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
[size=12]CONCLUSION
[/SIZE][size=12]Based on the evidence analyzed in this chapter, the Commission has
concluded that the shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded
overnor Connally were fired from the sixth-floor window at the
southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building. Two
bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy
and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence
indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that
one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants,
and that the three shots xere fired in a time period ranging from
approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds.
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Been away discovering new things in old text....
From CD298 we learn about a detailed model built by the FBI to illustrate when and where the shots were fired...
NO mention of Tague
NO mention of SBT
Three shots, three hits.
'cept in this explanation, Shot #2 is Z313 and the "last shot" is down by the stairs where Hudson and Altgens tell us the final shot occurred.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]4827[/ATTACH]
Yet the WCR tells us a shot missed... and the SBT was born.
(edit: need to add that they probably could have said Tague was a fragment, yet they had to get at least one of the frontal shots, the throat, to come from behind...
I think the SBT was more about explaining away the frontal shot than a missed shot.)
THE SHOT THAT MISSED
[size=12]From the initial findings that (a) one shot passed through the
President's neck and then most probably passed through the Governor's
body, (b) a subsequent shot penetrated the President's head, © no
other shot struck any part of the automobile, and (d) three shots were
fired, it follows that one shot probably missed the car and its occupants.
The evidence is inconclusive as to whether it was the first,
second, or third shot which missed.
[/SIZE]
Pat Speer has done some great work on this and the "last shot" and how it changes from study to study... yet NONE of them puts the shot at 307 feet like the FBI does here...
and shot #2 at 262 feet.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=62
[ATTACH=CONFIG]4828[/ATTACH]
The FBI model was created FROM a variety of sources including the films and photos and testimony -
My question is what could they have possibly looked at to create this model as there is no longer any evidence other than witness testimony that places a shot that far down Elm?a
And since they had the autopsy report stating a bullet had danced the SBT dance.. what are they doing here other than possibly telling the truth about 3 of the shots?
Mr. LIEBELER - I don't know how many feet it moved, but it moved quite a ways from the time the first shot was fired until the time the third shot was fired. I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now, you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's car when he was hit in the head.
Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I was about 15 feet from it.
Mr. HUDSON - Y[B]es; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there[/B].
Mr. LIEBELER - You think the last shot was fired and the car was about where it actually is in that picture when the third shot was fired?
Mr. HUDSON - Pretty close to it; yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you think the President had already been hit in the head by the time the third shot was fired?
Mr. HUDSON - He had been hit twice, so Parkland Hospital said. He was hit in the neck one time and in the head one time.
Mr. LIEBELER - Wh[B]en the first shot was fired, were you looking at the presidential car then; could you see it then?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it was coming around - it had just got around the corner,you see, from off of Houston Street, making that corner there, come off of Houston onto Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did it look to you like the President was hit by the first shot?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; I don't think so [/B]- I sure don't.
Mr. LIEBELER - You don't think he got hit by the first shot?
Mr. HUDSON - No.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What happened after the President got hit in the head, did you see what he did, what happened in the car?
Mr. HUDSON - He slumped over and Mrs. Kennedy, she climbs over in the seat with him and pulls him over.
Mr. LIEBELER - Pulled him down in the seat?
Mr. HUDSON - Pulled him over in her lap like.
Mr. LIEBELER - If you don't think the Presidentgot hit by the first shot and yoy say he got hit in the head with the second shot -
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - And if we assume that he was shot twice, you would have to say that he was hit by the third shot; isn't that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was hit again after he got hit in the head?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
[size=12]CONCLUSION
[/SIZE][size=12]Based on the evidence analyzed in this chapter, the Commission has
concluded that the shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded
overnor Connally were fired from the sixth-floor window at the
southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building. Two
bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy
and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence
indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that
one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants,
and that the three shots xere fired in a time period ranging from
approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds.
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Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter