17-06-2013, 02:47 PM
[size=12]Lifton writes: Martin, the "facts" you prefer are filtered through a prism of intense personal animus towards me and my work, and it is you who are doing the "huffing and puffing"
Filtered "through an intense personal animus" by whom? Certainly not by me. I feel absolutely nothing about you one way or the other hence the reason why, when you sent me a personal message simply to insult me after I quit the Ed forum, I felt no compulsion to respond. Your daft theories, however, have done damage to to the truth, helped undo much of the good work done by early critics of the Warren Commission, and made it easy for critics of the official story to be lumped in with moon hoaxers and holocaust deniers. So I will continue to show how factually corrupt your work is, and how little basis your ludicrous hypotheses have in fact, in order to help set the record straight.
Lifton writes: "Roger Boyajian's security detail was requested to report to the morgue to handle the arrival of JFK's body. So who's coffin are you attempting to imply was delivered to Bethesda at 6:35 PM EST, and which was the subject of his reportthat ofMickey Mouse?"
I'm not implying anything, I'm merely stating the facts. You may have trouble separating theory from fact but I don't. Boyajian's report does NOT say that the casket he and his men picked up contained the body of President Kennedy. And he did NOT recall the arrival of Kennedy's casket. Those are the FACTS. Additionally, as Jim DiEugenio correctly pointed out, "Bethesda is also a morgue. It did not stop being so just because Kennedy was being transported there that day. Other military men died that day"
Lifton writes: "Dennis David repeatedly said to me that the coffin arrived "a good 20 minutes" before the naval ambulance so that is 6:35 PM (not 6:45 PM, Martin. Do the math, Martin. It will be good mental exercise: 6:55 PM 20 minutes = 6:35 PM."
From ARRB MD177, Call Report Summarizing 2/14/97 Telephonic Interview of Dennis David: "He then got his own duty sailors together, borrowed some more from the dental school, and assembled them outside the morgue at the loading dock by about 6:40 P.M. Five or six minutes later, at about 6:45, he said a black hearse drove up to the loading dock...the Navy sailors (approximately 7 or 8 people) working for him offloaded the casket which was in the hearse. He said it was a simple, gray shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war." Your problem is with David, not with me.
Lifton writes: "Paul O'Connor lifted a body out of the shipping casket that arrived at 6:35 PM. That's the preponderanceof the evidence."
According to you, NOT according to Paul O'Connor. Which one of you was there? And, of course, when you say "preponderance of the evidence" you mean Dennis David's story which, given that he had no personal knowledge of who was in the casket he saw, is not all that weighty and doesn't offer much support for your erroneous claim that Kennedy's body arrived when you wish it did.
Lifton writes: "Yes, Martinthe word "security measure"was in fact used."
No need for further comment.
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Filtered "through an intense personal animus" by whom? Certainly not by me. I feel absolutely nothing about you one way or the other hence the reason why, when you sent me a personal message simply to insult me after I quit the Ed forum, I felt no compulsion to respond. Your daft theories, however, have done damage to to the truth, helped undo much of the good work done by early critics of the Warren Commission, and made it easy for critics of the official story to be lumped in with moon hoaxers and holocaust deniers. So I will continue to show how factually corrupt your work is, and how little basis your ludicrous hypotheses have in fact, in order to help set the record straight.
Lifton writes: "Roger Boyajian's security detail was requested to report to the morgue to handle the arrival of JFK's body. So who's coffin are you attempting to imply was delivered to Bethesda at 6:35 PM EST, and which was the subject of his reportthat ofMickey Mouse?"
I'm not implying anything, I'm merely stating the facts. You may have trouble separating theory from fact but I don't. Boyajian's report does NOT say that the casket he and his men picked up contained the body of President Kennedy. And he did NOT recall the arrival of Kennedy's casket. Those are the FACTS. Additionally, as Jim DiEugenio correctly pointed out, "Bethesda is also a morgue. It did not stop being so just because Kennedy was being transported there that day. Other military men died that day"
Lifton writes: "Dennis David repeatedly said to me that the coffin arrived "a good 20 minutes" before the naval ambulance so that is 6:35 PM (not 6:45 PM, Martin. Do the math, Martin. It will be good mental exercise: 6:55 PM 20 minutes = 6:35 PM."
From ARRB MD177, Call Report Summarizing 2/14/97 Telephonic Interview of Dennis David: "He then got his own duty sailors together, borrowed some more from the dental school, and assembled them outside the morgue at the loading dock by about 6:40 P.M. Five or six minutes later, at about 6:45, he said a black hearse drove up to the loading dock...the Navy sailors (approximately 7 or 8 people) working for him offloaded the casket which was in the hearse. He said it was a simple, gray shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war." Your problem is with David, not with me.
Lifton writes: "Paul O'Connor lifted a body out of the shipping casket that arrived at 6:35 PM. That's the preponderanceof the evidence."
According to you, NOT according to Paul O'Connor. Which one of you was there? And, of course, when you say "preponderance of the evidence" you mean Dennis David's story which, given that he had no personal knowledge of who was in the casket he saw, is not all that weighty and doesn't offer much support for your erroneous claim that Kennedy's body arrived when you wish it did.
Lifton writes: "Yes, Martinthe word "security measure"was in fact used."
No need for further comment.
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