The Head Wounds Revisited

[David Josephs]

all we have left is the coroborrated word of those who were there... and THEY tell us that JFK was worked upon prior to his official arrival...

DJ

David , could you be more specific here? It's hard to respond to nameless witnesses without citations.

In the meantime, I'd like to point out something. You mentioned before, if I understood you correctly, that Tom Robinson and Ed Reed were witnesses to the enlarging of the head wound at some pre-autopsy event. Well, that's not what Reed said in his ARRB testimony. In fact, he made it clear that all of the X-rays had been taken before Dr. Humes made his first incision into the scalp:

Q. Okay. You've described the sequence of the taking of the X-ray films. Can you tell me whether there were any incisions that were performed on the body between the time of the first X-ray and the time of the last X-ray that you took?
A. As Far as I know,no.
Q. When you brought the last of the X-rays that you had developed back to the morgue, had there been any incisions performed on the body at that time?
A. No.
Q. Were you present during the time of the first incision?
A. Yes.
Q. What was the first incision?
A. The Cranium. The scalp, right here. (p. 57)

As for Tom Robinson, his ARRB interview simply says that he arrived "early in the autopsy" as "gross examination of the head was just beginning".(ARRB MD180) He doesn't say anything about witnessing the taking of X-rays at any point, or being removed while this happened, so it can be logically inferred that he arrived after they were taken. Which means his statement corroborates that of Reed. And neither of them gave testimony that in any way corroborates illicit pre-autopsy enlargement of the head wound.

Mr. SPECTER - What time did the autopsy start approximately?
Commander HUMES - The president's body was received at 25 minutes before 8, and the autopsy
began at approximately 8 p.m. on that evening. You must include the fact that certain X-rays and other examinations were made before the actual beginning of
the routine type autopsy examination.

Mr. SPECTER - Precisely what X-rays or photographs were taken before the dissection started?
Commander HUMES - Some of these X-rays were taken before and some during the examination which, also maintains for the photographs, which were made as the need became apparent to make such. However, before the postmortem examination was begun, anterior, posterior and lateral X-rays of the head, and of the torso were made, and identification type photographs, I recall having been made of the full face of the late President. A photograph showing the massive head wound with the large defect that was associated with it. To my recollection all of these were made before the proceedings began. Several others, approximately 15 to 20 in number, were made in total before we finished the proceedings.

Martin... the first incision in an autopsy is the Y incision... NOT the sawing of the cranium...(below)
Reed's xrays were taken from 6:40 thru 7:45... and we also know that the Joint Carket Bearer team arrived at 8pm...
Where are these "torso" xrays that would have been shown to Finck? They must NOT have been shown since he requested BODY XRAYS as there were none available to him when he arrived...
at 8:30...

Q: You say the X-rays showed no bullet or projectile in that area of the President or in any area?
A(Finck): In the entire body we saw X-rays of, I requested whole body X-rays for the reasons I mentioned, that when I arrived in
Bethesda, there were only X-rays of the head showing fragments due to another bullet wound.

Finck tells us that xrays WERE TAKEN of the body after the Y incision... since he is obviously looking at "entire body x-rays" at some point.
Once they begin working on him, the xrays and photos are now NOT reflective of the condition of the body in Dallas... can't be.

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Can you simply address the MDW report on their carrying in the casket at 8pm? and that the "first incision" was the Y incision at 8:15?
Yet Finck arrives at 8:30 and there are NO XRAYS other than the head....

How can Humes be working with the body, taking xrays, at 7:35 if the body is still wrapped in the casket it left from Dallas in...
and TO BE delivered by the official Casket Team 25 minutes later? (and they do note time to the minute... 19:10, 03:50, 13:17, etc....)

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We ALSO KNOW that Greer/Kellerman/Sibert/O'Neill WHEEL in a casket at 7:17... the casket that was in the hearse...
care to explain that testimony and what the autopsy team was doing in the morgue from 6:30 thru 7:20? and again from 7:20 until 8pm when the body of JFK arrives?

Can you address these TWO entrances? (Forgetting for a minute about the 6:35 one)
Do you know it is impossible to take and develop the ENTIRE COLLECTION OF XRAYS said to be taken... in 25 minutes? and they weren't, as Finck tells us.

So Martin... if the Y incision is done at 8:15... AND there had not yet been xrays of the torso - per Finck - some xrays had to have been taken AFTER the autopsy begins.. against protocol.
Reed is up developing xrays... you don't think anything can occur in that mogue while he's gone? "As far as HE knows" is his answer... not NO.

and Finally... you do not address the known fact that not a single person in Dallas tells us the damage is anything close to what is described at Bethesda...
NOT ONE Martin... they all confirm what Hill tells us... ALL of them.

You are comfortable with the scores of CIVILIANS who say one thing versus the two MILITARY DOCTORS, without autopsy experience, both NOT forensic pathologists as Finck is...
who are basically ORDERED BY THEIR SUPERIORS to ignore this or that, and not perform this or that autopsy protocol...

That's mighty generous of you imo... and then when one reads the likes of Meager and Weisberg among so many others... it is as plain as the nose on your face what was going on...

BY MR. OSER to Dr Finck:
Q: I will ask you the question one more time: Why[B] did you not dissect the track of the bullet wound th[/B]at you have described today and you saw at the time of the autopsy at the time you examined the body? Why? I ask you to answer that question.
A: As I recall I was told not to, but I don't remember by whom.
Q: You were told not to but you don't remember by whom?
A: Right.
Q: Could it have been one of the Admirals or one of the Generals in the room?
A: I don't recall.


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AUTOPSY PROTOCOL:
Before dissection starts

• The body is washed thoroughly
  
• Samples taken of hair - scalp, face, eyebrows, pubic etc - and labelled and stored
  
• X-raying of body. This may show up things like repeated healed fractures - may be evidence of child abuse, for example.
  

Dissection

• Every pathologist does it differently, but usually make simple incision from neck down to groin, diverting at navel (which is tough and hard to cut through).