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The Splintering Frame
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Stan Wilbourne Wrote:To be clear: I do not feel my belief is relevant to anything. And, I would never attempt to convince anyone into my slanted view of perception.

My story is just like any other story. It arrives at a dead end, in the repeated nested loop of self, inside the frame which I have personalized into meaning.

To get back to the initial premise of this thread: I sense the boundaries of my own prison (the frame) and wonder how it came to be and why. Is the program spontaneous, or is there an organized force behind it? Both? And, is it possible to live without this frame, without circumference? Those questions are more meaningful to me than anything about the World Teacher or the Kennedy assassination.

Great questions Stan, really meaningful. I share the same sort of imperatives as you, albeit in a slightly different framework.

One of the things about Kristamurti that struck me forcefully, some 40 years ago now, was a statement he made to the effect that he had spent some years studying, and wrapped inside, each of the world's major religions, and having done this concluded that at their deepest point they converged; essentially they became the same. Rather, I think like a dozen different climbing routes up the same mountain. The topography is completely different for each route, dangers occur at different points, and rest camps at others, but ultimately all climbers arrive at the same summit. This always struck me as being immensely important insight.

During the course of my life, from quite a young age, I set out and studied comparative religions plus several different schools of thought and practice, too. I've had several teachers, three fantastic one (all of them women by the way) plus a couple of Guru's too [oddly, all men :-)]. These days I have no time for Guru's. For me it was a phase I had to go through to reach a certain point.

I now know there is only one genuine and enduring teacher, and it is that one that sits in the Self, and has always been there, ever present and patiently waiting for the penny to drop. The penny drops upward. But the road is down, down, down...

So in answer to your question, at least from my perspective anyway, I say yes, there is an organised force. IT though, is not entirely conscious either, and needs us mere mortals to become conscious in order for IT to become more and more conscious. The converse is also true obviously. WE have a vital role to play in the scheme of things.

These are deep, deep matters and you and I, and any others who are interested too, could well discuss this further say, in the Alchemy folder. I won't be able to take part in anything other than a partial way until September, but I would certainly leap at the chance of doing so once I'm back.

David
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 02-07-2013, 05:04 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 02-07-2013, 06:47 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Josephs - 02-07-2013, 09:04 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 02-07-2013, 09:49 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Josephs - 02-07-2013, 11:14 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Tracy Riddle - 03-07-2013, 01:25 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 03-07-2013, 01:31 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 03-07-2013, 03:28 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 03-07-2013, 04:24 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 03-07-2013, 04:43 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 04-07-2013, 04:28 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 04-07-2013, 06:21 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 04-07-2013, 07:06 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 04-07-2013, 08:15 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Lauren Johnson - 04-07-2013, 09:08 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 04-07-2013, 10:01 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Lauren Johnson - 05-07-2013, 12:42 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 05-07-2013, 07:50 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 05-07-2013, 07:44 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 05-07-2013, 07:50 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 05-07-2013, 08:11 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 05-07-2013, 09:26 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 05-07-2013, 09:53 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 06-07-2013, 08:01 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 06-07-2013, 08:15 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 06-07-2013, 08:38 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 06-07-2013, 11:07 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 06-07-2013, 01:22 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 06-07-2013, 03:00 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 06-07-2013, 03:56 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 06-07-2013, 06:52 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 06-07-2013, 08:50 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 06-07-2013, 09:26 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 07-07-2013, 12:31 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 07-07-2013, 01:55 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 07-07-2013, 03:20 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 07-07-2013, 06:41 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 07-07-2013, 07:30 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 07-07-2013, 07:30 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 07-07-2013, 07:47 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Michael Cross - 26-07-2013, 09:37 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 27-07-2013, 02:40 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 27-07-2013, 08:40 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 27-07-2013, 10:15 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 27-07-2013, 01:36 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 27-07-2013, 08:42 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 28-07-2013, 07:13 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 28-07-2013, 09:59 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 28-07-2013, 10:37 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 28-07-2013, 10:45 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Dawn Meredith - 28-07-2013, 03:35 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Albert Rossi - 28-07-2013, 04:25 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 08-08-2013, 07:27 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 08-08-2013, 07:31 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 08-08-2013, 07:45 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 08-08-2013, 07:53 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 08-08-2013, 08:55 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 04:24 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 04:41 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Anthony Thorne - 09-08-2013, 05:28 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 09-08-2013, 11:50 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 09-08-2013, 12:21 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 04:02 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 04:12 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 09-08-2013, 05:00 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Albert Doyle - 09-08-2013, 05:15 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Tracy Riddle - 09-08-2013, 05:54 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 06:22 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 09-08-2013, 06:30 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 09-08-2013, 06:55 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Tracy Riddle - 09-08-2013, 07:33 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Albert Rossi - 09-08-2013, 07:38 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 09-08-2013, 08:56 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Albert Rossi - 09-08-2013, 09:39 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Josephs - 10-08-2013, 12:27 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Tracy Riddle - 10-08-2013, 02:08 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 10-08-2013, 10:18 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 10-08-2013, 05:32 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 10-08-2013, 06:34 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 10-08-2013, 07:12 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 10-08-2013, 08:28 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 10-08-2013, 09:06 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 11-08-2013, 12:06 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 11-08-2013, 01:59 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 11-08-2013, 02:19 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 11-08-2013, 04:38 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 11-08-2013, 09:47 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 12-08-2013, 03:58 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 12-08-2013, 04:02 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 12-08-2013, 04:09 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 12-08-2013, 04:51 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Healy - 12-08-2013, 04:54 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 12-08-2013, 09:20 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 12-08-2013, 10:36 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Albert Doyle - 12-08-2013, 03:34 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 12-08-2013, 07:11 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Josephs - 12-08-2013, 07:25 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 13-08-2013, 01:46 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 13-08-2013, 01:53 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 13-08-2013, 02:46 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 13-08-2013, 05:09 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 14-08-2013, 02:52 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Rob Caprio - 14-08-2013, 03:01 AM
The Splintering Frame - by R.K. Locke - 05-09-2013, 10:58 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 07-09-2013, 12:22 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 07-09-2013, 08:53 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 07-09-2013, 09:24 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 17-09-2013, 08:18 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 17-09-2013, 10:14 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 17-09-2013, 11:46 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 17-09-2013, 04:33 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jan Klimkowski - 17-09-2013, 07:08 PM
The Splintering Frame - by R.K. Locke - 17-09-2013, 07:56 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 17-09-2013, 11:59 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 18-09-2013, 09:30 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 18-09-2013, 12:56 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 18-09-2013, 06:03 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 18-09-2013, 09:30 PM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 19-09-2013, 08:51 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 19-09-2013, 10:12 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 19-09-2013, 11:01 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 19-09-2013, 11:27 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 19-09-2013, 06:52 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 20-09-2013, 01:51 AM
The Splintering Frame - by David Guyatt - 20-09-2013, 08:37 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 20-09-2013, 12:10 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 21-09-2013, 02:27 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Magda Hassan - 21-09-2013, 02:40 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 21-09-2013, 07:02 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Peter Lemkin - 21-09-2013, 07:52 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Stan Wilbourne - 21-09-2013, 09:06 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 21-09-2013, 09:20 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 22-09-2013, 12:24 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Peter Lemkin - 22-09-2013, 08:23 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Charles Drago - 22-09-2013, 12:54 PM
The Splintering Frame - by C. Savastano - 24-09-2013, 06:33 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 24-09-2013, 10:51 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 24-09-2013, 11:42 AM
The Splintering Frame - by Phil Dragoo - 24-09-2013, 12:02 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Jim Hackett II - 24-09-2013, 12:18 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Keith Millea - 24-09-2013, 07:16 PM
The Splintering Frame - by Lauren Johnson - 06-02-2014, 01:05 AM

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