26-07-2013, 09:37 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Stan Wilbourne Wrote:To be clear: I do not feel my belief is relevant to anything. And, I would never attempt to convince anyone into my slanted view of perception.
My story is just like any other story. It arrives at a dead end, in the repeated nested loop of self, inside the frame which I have personalized into meaning.
To get back to the initial premise of this thread: I sense the boundaries of my own prison (the frame) and wonder how it came to be and why. Is the program spontaneous, or is there an organized force behind it? Both? And, is it possible to live without this frame, without circumference? Those questions are more meaningful to me than anything about the World Teacher or the Kennedy assassination.
Great questions Stan, really meaningful. I share the same sort of imperatives as you, albeit in a slightly different framework.
One of the things about Kristamurti that struck me forcefully, some 40 years ago now, was a statement he made to the effect that he had spent some years studying, and wrapped inside, each of the world's major religions, and having done this concluded that at their deepest point they converged; essentially they became the same. Rather, I think like a dozen different climbing routes up the same mountain. The topography is completely different for each route, dangers occur at different points, and rest camps at others, but ultimately all climbers arrive at the same summit. This always struck me as being immensely important insight.
During the course of my life, from quite a young age, I set out and studied comparative religions plus several different schools of thought and practice, too. I've had several teachers, three fantastic one (all of them women by the way) plus a couple of Guru's too [oddly, all men :-)]. These days I have no time for Guru's. For me it was a phase I had to go through to reach a certain point.
I now know there is only one genuine and enduring teacher, and it is that one that sits in the Self, and has always been there, ever present and patiently waiting for the penny to drop. The penny drops upward. But the road is down, down, down...
So in answer to your question, at least from my perspective anyway, I say yes, there is an organised force. IT though, is not entirely conscious either, and needs us mere mortals to become conscious in order for IT to become more and more conscious. The converse is also true obviously. WE have a vital role to play in the scheme of things.
These are deep, deep matters and you and I, and any others who are interested too, could well discuss this further say, in the Alchemy folder. I won't be able to take part in anything other than a partial way until September, but I would certainly leap at the chance of doing so once I'm back.
David
My first post here; "long time lurker first time poster".
Thanks David for this lovely summary. Resonates with me, and not what I expected to find while researching the events of 11/22/63.
Michael.