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The Head Wounds Revisited
David Josephs Wrote:
Daniel Gallup Wrote:
David Josephs Wrote:I have revisited Horne and Lifton's work on the subject...

When the body was first unwrapped in the morgue at 6:40 Humes, Boswell, KENNEY, and Ebersole where present if I am remembering correctly...
(Ebersole is key to some of the xray alteration work)

If what they are saying is true, this "team" has until about 7:45 when Robinson is told they are moving the autopsy to another room yet they never showed up.
(When they were moving the body to the large casket in the back of "A" navy ambulance.... not necessarily THE ambulance that arrived with Jackie.)

So "they" have about an hour to leave the brain in a condition described as "falling out of the skull into Humes' hands - no cutting was required"
"They" removed most of the right frontal lobe to conceal bullet traces and completely descroyed the skull and underlying structure.

Dr George Bakeman remains a mystery
Humes and Boswell were described as not doing surgical procedures in the 12-18 months prior to 11/22 and NEVER being in the morgue.
Kenney ??

The Israel story does not name who the doctor was, nor if he comes back and is seen throughout the rest of the procedures....


Who had the chops to perform that surgery... or was the result so bad that Humes remains the likely candidate?

DJ
Another piece of the puzzle would be Paul O'Connor. He is a witness to the body bag, the shipping casket, and an empty cranial vault. His estimation of the size of the head wound was 4" by 8" and the bones of the skull were broken up, clearly not the wound seen at Parkland, where the head was wrapped precisely to prevent any further movement of bone through transport. Although he put the time at 8:00 p.m. it had to be earlier. Let us assume the Dallas casket was introduced into the morgue with the FBI around 7:17. The body had to be back in the casket no later than 7:45 because by 7:50, or thereabouts, the Navy ambulance is reunited with the casket team. My question: when did O'Connor really see the casket opening? Were the brutal alterations of the head done at Bethesda itself, say, between 6:40 and 7:15? By the time the shipping casket is opened, the alterations have already occurred. I'll have to go back and read relevant portions of Best Evidence and Horne. I'm forgetful of some of the testimony.

According to the chronology, Daniel, O'Connor with Jenkins, Stringer, & Riebe are DISMISSED FROM THE MORGUE before the head is unwrapped.... the wounds Paul describes are from over an hour later... and the rest of the proceedings he describes are from AFTER 8pm. He simply corroborates the arrival of the casket and that JFK is supposedly removed from said shipping casket.

Since there are witnesses to the simply skull injuries (the original ones that allowed Parkland doctors to think a tracheostomy MIGHT help - if the skull was as it is described at Bethesda, the thought of an emergency tracheostomy would be absurd) Dr. Ebersole, Canada and Tom Robinson see this small rear headwound in addition to Humes beginning the craniotomy processes including sawing thru the forehead.

Robinson is the only one who describes Humes' work... (Horne's thought being since Kellerman had not yet arrived to "orchestrate" the Bethesda personnel had overlooked Robinson in the Gallery) he does NOT witness the arrival at 7:17 of the SS/FBI entry of the empty casket to the anteroom... he was then told the "autopsy was being moved" -Horne p1007 but the body never arrived. Robinson was effectively removed from the morgue while work continued and the body was returned to the bronze casket.

So I guess I ansered my own question. If we believe Robinson (and what Sibert/O'Neill recorded), Humes did indeed perform the "surgery to the top of the head" yet the gash in the throat had already been probed... on the plane?

The senior officer witnessing the original wounds according to the research was Navy Surgeon General Ed Kenney... Adm Galloway was in charge of Bethesda. If I'm correct, Kenney was at the Rear Admiral Rank which is still under Admiral Galloway (and the same as Burkely)... yet his title: The Surgeon General of the United States Navy is the most senior commissioned officer of the Medical Corps of the United States Navy.

So would that mean Kenney had any authority over senior officer Galloway and/or peer Burkely? I haven't read much about Kenney's involvement

Any help?

DJ
I think David Lifton should weigh in on this. Another key piece of the puzzle: no photograph clearly shows the brain inside the head. If the brain were there and if the wounds at Bethesda were no different from Parkland, why would Stringer et al. have photographed it? I would surmise the first thing the plotters did was to remove the brain from the head and search for bullets. Later it was reintroduced, because Metzler tells Lifton that at the 8:00 opening of the casket at least part of the brain was evident in the cranial vault. So at what time did O'Connor witness the opening of the shipping casket, the body bag, and the empty cranial vault? Before Kellerman's arrival at 7:30? If you say an hour later, that would be hard to figure because an hour after the body arrived in the shipping casket is about the time it had to be reinserted into the Dallas casket to be brought in by the honor guard. Trying to make sense of this is difficult. Could the shipping casket have come in early, the body brutally altered, the brain removed, and then reinserted into the body bag for O'Connor , Humes, Boswell and others to see. O'Connor(p. 603)in Best Evidence indicates that Humes and Boswell were surprised by the extent of the wounding. O'Connor: "everybody was really aghast." Perhaps a third unknown party did the mutilation before the O'Connor opening. That would accord with the account of an unknown doctor firing into the skull.
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 04:14 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 08:04 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 08:46 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 09:38 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 12:42 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 12:46 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 06:45 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 07:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Vasilios Vazakas - 14-06-2013, 07:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 01:37 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:54 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 06:23 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 14-06-2013, 07:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 07:52 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 09:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 09:17 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 09:48 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 10:27 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 11:15 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 12:12 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 15-06-2013, 02:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 03:35 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 05:01 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 01:55 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:18 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:28 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 06:21 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 07:08 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 16-06-2013, 05:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 16-06-2013, 06:47 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 16-06-2013, 09:17 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 16-06-2013, 11:40 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 16-06-2013, 01:27 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 04:30 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 09:27 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:32 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:50 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 12:20 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 12:57 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 06:35 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 06:59 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 17-06-2013, 07:13 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 17-06-2013, 08:16 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 09:10 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 18-06-2013, 12:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 18-06-2013, 12:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 01:30 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 01:57 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 18-06-2013, 10:20 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 10:33 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 12:54 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 19-06-2013, 02:45 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 19-06-2013, 01:28 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 11:35 PM
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