13-08-2013, 04:17 PM
Tony Szamboti Wrote:I did not say the dust and debris coming out of the 98th floor was due to charges, of course that is from the collapse. You are trying to put words in my mouth. What is wrong with you?
However, the focused jets on the corner as shown in this video are not from the collapse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8
I have answered your points, unless you are talking about some hidden little item in one of your cramped paragraphs. You and Jeffrey are similar in the sense that both of you could use some work on your writing styles and comprehension.
You can't get away with that. If the devices used to bring down the upper section were not explosive then what were they, thermite? Phil's a great poet but I'd like to see him describe how those thermite charges escaped destruction after being exposed to the furnace heat of the fires at the top? CDer's avoid this by simply saying the fuel fires only lasted 10 minutes. Truth is those people have no clue what kind of fuel pockets existed in the tower. Also, there was a scientific "furnace effect" caused by the 23mph wind blowing through the funneled opening in the tower. You can't ignore the serious fires evidenced by the black smoke coming off the tower (coincidentally the same color as a jet fuel fire). The floor trusses had thin steel 'wire' supports that were vulnerable to this heat. I have yet to see any analysis that calculates the wind-stoked furnace effect and its influence on the heat conditions. Also, the core was damaged and was more vulnerable to heat while the surviving members were under extreme stress from load shift lowering their heat tolerance threshold. This is the proper dynamic that existed on the scene and not the piecemeal textbook theories you are putting together to avoid the real arguments here. You answer with indignant protest but use that as a shield to avoid answering the entire argument that is being made.
If the collapse were initiated by placed thermite charges at the 98th floor how did they activate only one floor's worth of devices? How did those devices escape destruction from the extreme heat of the fires centered at the 96th floor? Has anyone studied the ignition threshold for thermite vs those fires or do you guys just wing it as it goes? Are you saying that the plotters placed explosives charges in extremely sophisticated timing in order to ripple down the building right in front of the collapse in the lower section, but only placed thermite cutter charges in the upper section in order to initiate the collapse? Those guys were good because they set off the lower level explosives packs in precise timing with the collapse, so much so that there was no discernable gap in the demolition to indicate this cross-over. Pretty damned good. Too good.
You fail to understand that focused jets in the corners is a sign of natural pneumatic collapse rather than explosives. If you posit that the core was rigged then there couldn't be any explosions in the corners because their source would be too close to the facade to not register an explosive signature, blast pattern, and detonation flash. Ask CD experts to look at your corner 'explosions' and tell us if they were explosives-based. The dust jets too. Those jets are clearly pneumatic in all aspects yet we are forced to listen to your claims that they are caused by explosives.
Now we will wait for your answer that will show indignation and try to respond to a very complex series of forensic factors by focusing on one contrived out of context example while not answering the majority of what is being argued. You never answered why they did the South Tower first if they were trying to imitate natural collapse?
You let David Chandler narrate the video as he goes along but don't call him on his mistakes. For instance he says the floor jets don't happen in a progressive manner but happen over multi floors at once. Bullshit. That cascading pneumatic blasting clearly happens in a floor by floor downward sequence. You can hear that Chandler is aware of this so he adds "I can't think of any other explanation". - I can. What you seeing there is precisely what you would see with ROOSD (and he knows it).
Also, I've looked at the video and don't really see any specific corner jets. I think some loose murder is being attempted here.